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Just contemplating what would happen if a Russian military aircraft, either in distress or inadvertently, entered airspace over neighbouring countries?

Would it be "helped" to land in a NATO country by an escort? Shot down?

And would this be different if it was done as a defection? (Not sure how NATO would know. Is there some sort of flying behaviour which would indicate intentional defection? Or could they even use radio?)
Helped to land but the pilot probably still imprisoned. It's what happened to Rudof Hess when he defected from the Nazis by air.

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One thing which surprises me in all of this is Why is Kyiv etc all lit up at night?

Surely it would be easier to defend if A, The enemy had to find it in the dark and B. Most of the defending forces probably know their way around the city in the dark far better than the invading army.

I know it was mainly useful against air strikes but even in WW2 blackouts of populated areas were an effective weapon to confuse the enemy.

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Just contemplating what would happen if a Russian military aircraft, either in distress or inadvertently, entered airspace over neighbouring countries?

Would it be "helped" to land in a NATO country by an escort? Shot down?

And would this be different if it was done as a defection? (Not sure how NATO would know. Is there some sort of flying behaviour which would indicate intentional defection? Or could they even use radio?)
The intent behind a no-fly zone is to enforce it, by shooting planes down? Rapid escalation could ensue... Maybe they could waggle their wings to demonstrate the intent to have a stiff drink in the free world, to straighten up and fly right?

 
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I think Hess piloted himself and bailed out, parachuting into Scotland. It was actually no mean feat of navigation, compass alone and at night. Didn't do him much good though... His end was hardly glorious.
He lived to 93 years old! Nazi supersoldier serum?
 

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Mmm.. Spending 40 years in Spandau prison and voluntarily ending it suspended from a rope is not what I, d call glorious.
There is no glorious way to go - "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"

 

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Quite a number of their more recent aircraft are some sort of co-production and not entirely Russian.

I certainly don't underestimate their capabilities.

Not least their space technologies:

Russian rocket to launch OneWeb satellites Friday despite Ukraine invasion

By Mike Wall published about 5 hours ago
Not everyone is happy about it.

Worth a read as it ain't quite that simple...
It's owned by the UK, and despite not being designed for providing GPS can have "GPS-like" functionality, therefore of course it may have military applications - so how can the UK give assurances that it won't be used for military applications? Unless it's very poor GPS. Galileo will be far better, too late now - maybe the UK can become a subscriber, paying painfully through the nose when it goes live? Looks like it'll have to be Musk, Lockheed Martin , Boeing or other launching the remaining 186/648 bits of killer asteroid obscuring space graffiti.
 
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Yep, what do you do when Mafia have nuclear arms.
Amputate and disarm the nuclear warheads in the arms ;) I'm certain there are funnier collections of words out there, the world could do with a bit of levity just now. Zelenskyy's newly conscripted mime artists become able assassins, their psi-op invisible walls halt Russian tanks
 
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One thing which surprises me in all of this is Why is Kyiv etc all lit up at night?

Surely it would be easier to defend if A, The enemy had to find it in the dark and B. Most of the defending forces probably know their way around the city in the dark far better than the invading army.

I know it was mainly useful against air strikes but even in WW2 blackouts of populated areas were an effective weapon to confuse the enemy.
Today's aircrafts advanced navigation instrumentation and laser guided weapons have changed the target finding situation beyond all recognition from WW2. Cruise missiles don't even bother with eyesight but unerringly find their target.

And even the warfare is very different now. In Kharkiv the Russian soldiers are strolling around on the same streets as the Ukrainians. Despite all the propaganda they aren't there to personally kill people. The weapons like missiles, shells and bombs are to used instead to destroy sufficient infrastructure to get surrender, those who are killed are unavoidable of course when the weapons are used for that. You only have to look at the way the Russians went for the infrastructure like oil depots, water and electricty utilities for the first two days to see the methods now, wrecking the quality of life.

It's no different for the Ukrainians, they are destroying the Russian assets like tanks and helicopters, not specifically aiming at the individuals who happen to be inside them. They just take them prisoner when they survive.
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One bit of good news for Roman Abramovich in tonight's cup match:

Chelsea 3, Luton 2.

I see he's giving the club's assets when realised after the club's sale to all the victims of the Ukraine war.
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The Register has another interesting issue:

Ukraine asks ICANN to delete all Russian domains
Plus: Namecheap tells customers in Russia they are no longer welcome, citing 'war crimes'

Thomas Claburn in San Francisco Tue 1 Mar 2022 // 20:11 UTC

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In response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine last week, Mykhailo Fedorov, First Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine, on Monday asked the head of DNS overlord ICANN to disable country code top-level domains associated with Russia.
Namecheap employ a lot of tech support staff - they're really knowledgeable and very friendly, efficient. Can't say I know if they smile, but their verbiage suggests they might consider the inkling of the possibility, more often than any of the Russians I've met.
 

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Today's aircrafts advanced navigation instrumentation and laser guided weapons have changed the target finding situation beyond all recognition from WW2. Cruise missiles don't even bother with eyesight but unerringly find their target.

And even the warfare is very different now. In Kharkiv the Russian soldiers are strolling around on the same streets as the Ukrainians. Despite all the propaganda they aren't there to personally kill people. The weapons like missiles, shells and bombs are to used instead to destroy sufficient infrastructure to get surrender, those who are killed are unavoidable of course when the weapons are used for that. You only have to look at the way the Russians went for the infrastructure like oil depots, water and electricty utilities for the first two days to see the methods now, wrecking the quality of life.

It's no different for the Ukrainians, they are destroying the Russian assets like tanks and helicopters, not specifically aiming at the individuals who happen to be inside them. They just take them prisoner when they survive.
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I agree, what's happening is terrible but not to extent it could be.
 
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Namecheap employ a lot of tech support staff - they're really knowledgeable and very friendly, efficient. Can't say I know if they smile, but their verbiage suggests they might consider the inkling of the possibility, more often than any of the Russians I've met.
A ghastly company name, though.
 

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Today's aircrafts advanced navigation instrumentation and laser guided weapons have changed the target finding situation beyond all recognition from WW2. Cruise missiles don't even bother with eyesight but unerringly find their target.

And even the warfare is very different now. In Kharkiv the Russian soldiers are strolling around on the same streets as the Ukrainians. Despite all the propaganda they aren't there to personally kill people. The weapons like missiles, shells and bombs are to used instead to destroy sufficient infrastructure to get surrender, those who are killed are unavoidable of course when the weapons are used for that. You only have to look at the way the Russians went for the infrastructure like oil depots, water and electricty utilities for the first two days to see the methods now, wrecking the quality of life.

It's no different for the Ukrainians, they are destroying the Russian assets like tanks and helicopters, not specifically aiming at the individuals who happen to be inside them. They just take them prisoner when they survive.
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This same issue - all lit up - was very much discussed in the first Gulf War.
 
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One bit of good news for Roman Abramovich in tonight's cup match:

Chelsea 3, Luton 2.

I see he's giving the club's assets when realised after the club's sale to all the victims of the Ukraine war.
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Allegedly. While refusing to condemn Russia. Putin kissing babies come to mind
Edit - to be fair to the generous, altruistic chap, he did specify that all "net proceeds" of the sale would go to a charitable foundation. Reminded me of corporations that, through no fault of their own, remain unprofitable (all those expenses) and so do not have to pay corporation tax.
 
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A ghastly company name, though.
They're not expensive, and I've yet to find anyone cheaper for registrations and renewals. I've got hundreds of domain names with Namecheap - I might have to look into becoming a Registrar myself, if doing so brings prices down significantly. 20 years ago, search engines would include the words within a domain name, as part of their indexing algorithm calculations - in this case the owners of Namecheap targeted people looking for a cheap domain name, to get listed higher up. Search engines have become (somewhat) "Smart" since.
 
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