Brexit, for once some facts.

soundwave

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And we wonder why ICUs are filling up.
maybe it is all the cuts over the last ten years and every year is the same and over run and cant cope.

so it is a good time to sack 100k of staff that wont get a treatment :p
 

jonathan.agnew

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Sadly, I don't think that the Tories will arrive at any sort of revelatory moment - all that's happened is that the crazy has become unhidden... but they all knew/know it's always been/is there all long - it's not news to them, but I do hope it's shocking enough to get people motivated enough to vote them out.
Ooh err, another by election?
 

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Zlatan

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After my comment to soundwave thought I, d check figures...???
Admissions for covid up slightly, number in hospital remaining fairly constant, same for those on mechanical ventilation.
Fingers crossed.. But early days I suppose. Would have thought all 3 would be on a steep gradient by now..??
Admissions.
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In hospital
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On MV
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Over past month..??

And on the Boris front.
Suspect if he gets through to spring without lockdown(which I suspect he'll try and do having seen above stats) and we are seen to have coped OK (for whatever reason?) Tories will insist booster policy and not locking down were way to go... Boris will survive, parties and the likes will be forgotten and he will lead them in next election.
On other hand if we lockdown, still get thousands more deaths he will be gone soon.
His only route to saviour is not locking down and booster/vaccine working.
Said it before but I wouldn't want their jobs at any price.
Cautious good news.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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After my comment to soundwave thought I, d check figures...???
Admissions for covid up slightly, number in hospital remaining fairly constant, same for those on mechanical ventilation.
Fingers crossed.. But early days I suppose. Would have thought all 3 would be on a steep gradient by now..??
Admissions.
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In hospital
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On MV
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Over past month..??

And on the Boris front.
Suspect if he gets through to spring without lockdown(which I suspect he'll try and do having seen above stats) and we are seen to have coped OK (for whatever reason?) Tories will insist booster policy and not locking down were way to go... Boris will survive, parties and the likes will be forgotten and he will lead them in next election.
On other hand if we lockdown, still get thousands more deaths he will be gone soon.
His only route to saviour is not locking down and booster/vaccine working.
Said it before but I wouldn't want their jobs at any price.
It’s early days. The very first U.K. Omicron case was only discovered three weeks ago. A substantial rate of infection, only a few days ago. This has yet to feed into hospitalisation and then deaths. If it’s going to happen, it will be after Christmas and the New Year.

What we do today, will be paid back with bodies in about 4-5 weeks time. What we don’t know is how much Omicron charges. It might be very reasonable or it might be very expensive. I’d like us to pause until we know the tariff. I’m uneasy about buying stuff before I understand the costs involved.
 

soundwave

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The positivity rate was highest in young children (aged 2 years to school Year 6) and lowest in adults aged 70 years and over (week ending 11 December 2021).

Hospital admission rates decreased in groups aged 75 years and over, but increased or remained similar in all other age groups in the latest week (ending 12 December 2021). Admission rates remained lowest in those aged between 5 and 14 years and highest in those aged 85 years and over.

Trends in the number of deaths involving COVID-19 varied across age groups (week ending 3 December 2021). The number of deaths involving COVID-19 was highest among those aged 75 to 84 years and lowest in those aged under 15 years, where there were no deaths.

 
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oyster

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And on the Boris front.
Let's see how it plays out...

Boris Johnson and staff pictured with wine in Downing Street garden in May 2020
Exclusive: photograph raises fresh questions for No 10 after denial of a social event at time of Covid restrictions

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flecc

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For info. Seems our 2020/2021 London deaths have been no more than the norm for the previous 5 years for all but humps at the start of the pandemic and the start of this year:
 

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soundwave

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For info:
There were 451,770 deaths registered in England and 29,462 in Wales during the first ten months (January to October) of 2021.

To gain a better idea of year-to-year differences in mortality rates, we calculated year-to-date age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) based on deaths registered in January to October of each year from 2001 to 2021 (Figure 5). For England, the year-to-date ASMR for 2021 was 973.9 deaths per 100,000 people, which was statistically significantly lower than the same period in 2020 (1,030.5 deaths per 100,000 people). However, when compared with the same period in 2019 (912.2 deaths per 100,000 people), the 2021 year-to-date mortality rate was significantly higher

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YearNumber
of deaths
Population
(Thousands)
Crude mortality
rate (per
100,000
population)
Age-standardised
mortality rate
(per 100,000
population)
2020608,00259,8291,016.201,043.50
2019530,84159,440893.1925
2018541,58959,116916.1965.4
2017533,25358,745907.7965.3
2016525,04858,381899.3966.9
2015529,65557,885915993.2
2014501,42457,409873.4953
2013506,79056,948889.9985.9
2012499,33156,568882.7987.4
2011484,36756,171862.3978.6
2010493,24255,692885.71,017.10
2009491,34855,235889.61,033.80
2008509,09054,842928.31,091.90
2007504,05254,387926.81,091.80
2006502,59953,951931.61,104.30
2005512,99353,575957.51,143.80
2004514,25053,152967.51,163.00
2003539,15152,8631,019.901,232.10
2002535,35652,6021,017.701,231.30
2001532,49852,3601,017.001,236.20
2000537,87752,1401,031.601,266.40
1999553,53251,9331,065.801,320.20
1998553,43551,7201,070.101,327.20
1997558,05251,5601,082.301,350.80
1996563,00751,4101,095.101,372.50
1995565,90251,2721,103.701,392.00
1994551,78051,1161,079.501,374.90
1993578,51250,9861,134.701,453.40
1992558,31350,8761,097.401,415.00
1991570,04450,7481,123.301,464.30
1990564,84650,5611,117.201,462.60

 

jonathan.agnew

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Yep, early days but as I said fingers crossed.
And we have truss in charge of brexit
Fingers crossed, that should go just fine too...
Edit - in case any members of the blue wall read this, it was a terrible late Sunday stab at dire end of the road gallows humour..
 
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flecc

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There were 451,770 deaths registered in England and 29,462 in Wales during the first ten months (January to October) of 2021.

To gain a better idea of year-to-year differences in mortality rates, we calculated year-to-date age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) based on deaths registered in January to October of each year from 2001 to 2021 (Figure 5). For England, the year-to-date ASMR for 2021 was 973.9 deaths per 100,000 people, which was statistically significantly lower than the same period in 2020 (1,030.5 deaths per 100,000 people). However, when compared with the same period in 2019 (912.2 deaths per 100,000 people), the 2021 year-to-date mortality rate was significantly higher

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YearNumber
of deaths
Population
(Thousands)
Crude mortality
rate (per
100,000
population)
Age-standardised
mortality rate
(per 100,000
population)
2020608,00259,8291,016.201,043.50
2019530,84159,440893.1925
2018541,58959,116916.1965.4
2017533,25358,745907.7965.3
2016525,04858,381899.3966.9
2015529,65557,885915993.2
2014501,42457,409873.4953
2013506,79056,948889.9985.9
2012499,33156,568882.7987.4
2011484,36756,171862.3978.6
2010493,24255,692885.71,017.10
2009491,34855,235889.61,033.80
2008509,09054,842928.31,091.90
2007504,05254,387926.81,091.80
2006502,59953,951931.61,104.30
2005512,99353,575957.51,143.80
2004514,25053,152967.51,163.00
2003539,15152,8631,019.901,232.10
2002535,35652,6021,017.701,231.30
2001532,49852,3601,017.001,236.20
2000537,87752,1401,031.601,266.40
1999553,53251,9331,065.801,320.20
1998553,43551,7201,070.101,327.20
1997558,05251,5601,082.301,350.80
1996563,00751,4101,095.101,372.50
1995565,90251,2721,103.701,392.00
1994551,78051,1161,079.501,374.90
1993578,51250,9861,134.701,453.40
1992558,31350,8761,097.401,415.00
1991570,04450,7481,123.301,464.30
1990564,84650,5611,117.201,462.60

I'd already seen that previously but it's not relevant. I was posting London data.
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jonathan.agnew

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It's fine. Don't take this personally, but with boris track record on the pandemic (of waiting, delaying lockdowns until its too late), his doing so - again - while in the last chance saloon has about as much chance as liz-i cant-find-my-arse-with-both-hands-truss have of making brexit work. Regardless of how many fingers you cross
 
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