Brexit, for once some facts.

[Jesus H Christ]

Our local petrol stations have limited fuel to £40 or less after this photo emerged at
a Pontefract Shell station.


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Don’t worry, Johnson is going to let those scum-bag foreign lorry drivers back in. The ones, who according to the Express & Mail a few months age, came over here on a dinghy, stole all the British lorry driving jobs, and claimed benefits for 10 wives and 36 children back in Poland.

Fear not, the government has it in hand and Johnny Foreigner is on his way to drive the petrol tankers and deliver the turkeys for Christmas! Hurray for the government. This all assumes that Johnny Foreigner wants to work in such a welcoming environment as the U.K. haulage industry of course.

 

[Zlatan]

Our local petrol stations have limited fuel to £40 or less after this photo emerged at
a Pontefract Shell station.


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I, m going to be even more popular when I fill two 20 litre Jerry cans ....... For the boat..
This bloke must have a big lawn mower...???

 

[flecc]

And still no explanation of any events, structure, policies or actions EU has carried out in achieving peace... Not one.
Just like EU... Just words.

Here you've even answered your own challenge!

I've told you many times how the EU achieved the peace between 27 countries that it has. As you said yourself, just words, getting the 27 to talk among themselves as friends rather than attack each other as enemies.

That's the clever way, unlike the thick-as-two-short-plank Americans who only know how to do it with the violence of NATO, and even then dismally failing where the EU has spectacularly succeeded. European mature intelligence versus immature playground bullies.

In summary, the ECSC, the EEC and their pinnacle the EU have brought permanent peace between the 27 members of the EU, the 3 members of the EEA and the 2 conditional members of the single market, all without a single shot fired to achieve it.

Considering that during the the first half of that last century the countries of Europe were first at full scale war in driving back the Ottoman Empire of one of those conditional single market members, then followed that by starting two devastating world wars killing many tens of millions worldwide, what the EU talking approach has achieved in the second half of that century is nothing short of a miracle.

 

[Nev]

Our local petrol stations have limited fuel to £40 or less after this photo emerged at
a Pontefract Shell station.

Your lucky most of my local petrol stations and closed. I think I might ask flecc if I can borrow his electric car

 

[oyster]

Your lucky most of my local petrol stations and closed. I think I might ask flecc if I can borrow his electric car

A few days ago, before any queuing, I had filled both the cars I drive. Very glad I did. And it was only my usual approach of making sure they remain reasonably full at all times - not panic buying.

 

[oyster]

Just starting to hear of delays in delivery of medicines. For example, none on Thursday - hopefully will arrive Monday. As a very common medicine, it would normally be expected to be permanently in stock.

Back in the 1970s, companies such as Vestric used to pride themselves in delivering to pharmacies twice a day! And they only had mainframe systems to manage the process.

 

[wheeler]

Pathetic. It's like arguing with a ten year old.

Grow up Zlatan.
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He'll never understand flecc.
The one good thing about hitting your head off a brick wall is that it's nice when you stop.

 

[flecc]

I think I might ask flecc if I can borrow his electric car

 

[Zlatan]

He'll never understand flecc.
The one good thing about hitting your head off a brick wall is that it's nice when you stop.

Since you, ve stuck your oar in..
Perhaps you, d like to explain the roll NATO and EU played in stopping the last European war in 1995...(Serbia)
EU did nothing.
NATO stopped the hostilities.
And still not a word about how EU have made peace and maintained it without a defence budget, any forces or influence over anyone. You, ve believed the EU BS aswell yet still accept the freedoms and peace we, ve got through NATO and countries spending on defence.
Amazing, when something goes wrong you say its individual countries problem.. Then a massive issue like peace and our freedoms and the toothless, pointless EU has earnt it.
And perhaps pair of you would like to explain why countries throughout Europe spend trillions on maintaining peace, on top of that spent by NATO... When actually it's all utterly wasted. EU can do it for free.

 

[oldgroaner]

Your lucky most of my local petrol stations and closed. I think I might ask flecc if I can borrow his electric car

Actually even that could be under threat this winter, better buy a lorry load of U2 batteries just in case..
Oh, there could be a snag there
(or even two)

 

[flecc]

Perhaps you, d like to explain the roll NATO and EU played in stopping the last European war in 1995...(Serbia)
EU did nothing.

Are you really this thick?

Serbia is a close ally of Russia and not an EU member, so being beyond their jurisdiction the EU didn't intervene at the time, beyond saying they would like all the Balkan countries to become EU members so they could share in the member countries peace.

Contrary to what you are claiming about inaction, the EU has acted upon that and influenced by talks with the EU, Serbia joined the United Nations on 1 November 2000 and former President of Serbia Boris Tadić referred to relations with the European Union (EU), Russia, United States and China as the four pillars of foreign policy. This was followed by Balkan country Croatia becoming the European Union's 28th (at the time) member state on 1 July 2013, sharing in permanent EU peace. All by talking.

And still not a word about how EU have made peace and maintained it without a defence budget, any forces or influence over anyone.

Liar. That lasting peace between 32 nations and the way it has been achieved has been fully explained and you've acknowledged that by saying "just words".
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[oldgroaner]

Since you, ve stuck your oar in..
Perhaps you, d like to explain the roll NATO and EU played in stopping the last European war in 1995...(Serbia)
EU did nothing.
NATO stopped the hostilities.
And still not a word about how EU have made peace and maintained it without a defence budget, any forces or influence over anyone. You, ve believed the EU BS aswell yet still accept the freedoms and peace we, ve got through NATO and countries spending on defence.
Amazing, when something goes wrong you say its individual countries problem.. Then a massive issue like peace and our freedoms and the toothless, pointless EU has earnt it.
And perhaps pair of you would like to explain why countries throughout Europe spend trillions on maintaining peace, on top of that spent by NATO... When actually it's all utterly wasted. EU can do it for free.

Serbia isn't a member state of the EU
If they change theirs ways radically they might be admitted in 2024
Afghanistan isn't either is the EU to blame for that too? and even the so called no 1 superpower with it's immense military and technological advantages and our army which by comparison is the equivalent of the Warmington on Sea home guard
Both got their arses kicked by a bunch of Tribesmen.

And they had to borrow and beg the money to do it?
And of course corner the market in hard drug production and sales to their enemies!

Rather urinates on your bonfire of investing in defence.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Actually even that could be under threat this winter, better buy a lorry load of U2 batteries just in case..
Oh, there could be a snag there
(or even two)

Theres always dragging the old raleigh from the garage and cycling to the job centre to apply for fruit picking next summer. On the plus side brexit voters will get that authentic taste of the imperialist past they yearned for.

 

[oldgroaner]

Are you really this thick?

Serbia is a close ally of Russia and not an EU member, so being beyond their jurisdiction the EU didn't intervene at the time, beyond saying they would like all the Balkan countries to become EU members so they could share in the member countries peace.

Contrary to what you are claiming about inaction, the EU has acted upon that and influenced by talks with the EU, Serbia joined the United Nations on 1 November 2000 and former President of Serbia Boris Tadić referred to relations with the European Union (EU), Russia, United States and China as the four pillars of foreign policy. This was followed by Balkan country Croatia becoming the European Union's 28th (at the time) member state on 1 July 2013, sharing in permanent EU peace. All by talking.



Liar. That lasting peace between 32 nations and the way it has been achieved has been fully explained and you've acknowledged that by saying "just words".
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Ahem: may I remind you that no regular contributor to the thread would deliberately lie.
That would imply that other than purely random logical processes are being employed

 

[flecc]

And perhaps pair of you would like to explain why countries throughout Europe spend trillions on maintaining peace, on top of that spent by NATO... When actually it's all utterly wasted. EU can do it for free.

Please stop being so childish.

That money is spent on defence against external nations which are outside of EU jurisdiction.

The EU has created peace within the 32 countries of the EU, EEA and the single market, countries which formerly created in fighting with each other most of the wars in the world for 1000 years.
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[jonathan.agnew]

Ahem: may I remind you that no regular contributor to the thread would deliberately lie.
That would imply that other than purely random logical processes are being employed

It's like the house of commons. A member is not allowed to accuse another of lying because he would thereby be telling the truth, thus contravening parliamentary etiquette

 

[flecc]

Actually even that could be under threat this winter,

Not in the slightest worried. Even with regular daily cuts like those in 1972, e-car timers allow charging to take place when the current is on.

I last charged the car on Thursday the 9th. It's now the 25th and I still have 110 miles of range left.

People who don't own e-cars worry unnecessarily about this non-issue. Across all UK motorists their average annual mileage is only 7,300 a year, 20 miles a day.

On my typical e-car and usage that 20 miles uses just 5 kW/h, carrying me and keeping me warm or cool for only 90 pence with a daytime charge, or 50 pence with a late night charge if I really needed to save pennies.

So an e-car is both cheap to run and uses current anytime it's conveniently available.
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[Zlatan]

Rather a more reasoned analysis around European peace.. The EU's achievements and failures. Worth reading by both pro and anti EU...

How valid is the claim that the EU has delivered peace in Europe?

For many arguing that the UK should remain in the EU, the first and foremost claim is that it is a force for peace.

www.newstatesman.com

And author is a regular Guardian contributor.. Rather more leaning to Flecc's ideas than mine and was/is an EU supporter.. I think he exaggerates the EU achievements and under plays the rolls where they have done absolutely nothing. (by policy?)

 

[Woosh]

Rather a more reasoned analysis around European peace.. The EU's achievements and failures. Worth reading by both pro and anti EU...

How valid is the claim that the EU has delivered peace in Europe?

For many arguing that the UK should remain in the EU, the first and foremost claim is that it is a force for peace.

www.newstatesman.com

And author is a regular Guardian contributor.. Rather more leaning to Flecc's ideas than mine and was/is an EU supporter.. I think he exaggerates the EU achievements and under plays the rolls where they have done absolutely nothing. (by policy?)

Why do you try to blame the EU for something outside its constitutional treaties?
there is already a conflict resolution mechanism outside the EU, the United Nation's Security Council whose members have plenty of big sticks as you say.
NATO is an American creation, its interest is mainly to protect the USA and sell armaments to its allies. It does not keep the peace.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Actually even that could be under threat this winter, better buy a lorry load of U2 batteries just in case..
Oh, there could be a snag there
(or even two)

U2 batteries I’ve not heard those mentioned for many years. M

Get some EverReady Number 800s in too for your bicycle lamp.