Here, we go again. Labour shouting to the world how desperate they are. Nobody cares about decorating flats or free holidays. Havent results just shown that?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Actually the Union power has been reduced, but with no effect. Trade union membership fees use to contain a compulsory political contribution, which of course went to the Labour Party. Until the Tories rightly pointed out that this was unfair, so by law it had to be changed into a voluntary contribution. But that made no difference, most union members don't go into the nitty gritty of their membership fee so happily carry on paying just the same and Labour gets almost the same amount.
Now let me show you why your dreams of a reformed Labour are doomed by explaining why Labour did so well in the 2017 GE. It was because they had enjoyed a huge expansion in the party membership and therefore all those extra membership fees and electioneering volunteers.
But they were to a person all your hated left wing Momentum, mainly young enthusiastic people, hordes of them who got the Labour vote out.
Losing the unions means losing Momentum and all of the party income due to both, death by a thousand cuts. So they'd end up with the same fate as the last ex Labour attempt by the SDP.
The Labour party is trapped where they are due to factors entirely beyond their control. That's why they never change.
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So why not open Labour Party to none Union members??
Entire electorate could join Tory party... Only 23% of workers are eligible to join Labour... Unless they go against their own wishes... Join a union and then join party.? That is purely to the benefit of Unions... Not the party.
To be in Labour Party, if a worker, you must be a Union member?, consequently to have a say on direction of party you must also be a Unionist.. That's antiquated, unfair and to detriment of party.
Time that was challenged in court.
Campbell just talking sense on Vine...
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That isn't true, one does not have to be a Union member, anyone over 14 can join the Labour party. It's already open to anyone.
That's why Momentum were able to gain over half a million new labour party members, there certainly wasn't a sudden gain of half a million trade unionists!
Are you saying those Momentum members dont have a say !!!!
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Was a genuine question Flecc. Why can't Labour Party be open to none union workers?
Ah, I see. I can join now I, m not employed, but when in work I could not join without being a member of a union. (Son in law had to be a union member to join?)
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Not quite Flecc. People at 14 aren't expected to be in employment, as far as I, m aware if in employment you must be a Union Member. (rule says where applicable? ) to join party.
No Zlatan, don't keep repeating this lie:
Labour party standard membership fee £4.42, open to ALL over 14.
Reduced membership fee £2.21, open to the Retired for obvious reasons and Trade Unionists since they already pay their political contribution so shouldn't have to pay twice.
Other membership fee £3.00, open to Students or the Armed Forces.
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The Elephant in the room is that the Labour Party was formed by the Unions to give the Working class a political voice
Fascinating that now you want the tail to wag the dog
Britain is not naturally conservative or Labour
What is natural is whoever can weaponise the gullible part of the population with lies and promises gains power
What is natural is whoever can weaponise the gullible part of the population with lies and promises gains power
from the FT
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UK freeports blow as exporters face tariffs to 23 countries
Ministers admit some markets will be subject to duties under post-Brexit deal
Cock up for today
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UK freeports blow as exporters face tariffs to 23 countries
Ministers admit some markets will be subject to duties under post-Brexit deal
Cock up for today
Thousands recruited to front UK firms in 'tax dodge'
More than 40,000 people from the Philippines have been recruited to front British companies as part of schemes costing the UK "hundreds of millions of pounds" in lost taxes.
BBC Radio 4's File on 4 discovered more than 48,000 of these companies have been created in the past five years.
Taking back control?
More than 40,000 people from the Philippines have been recruited to front British companies as part of schemes costing the UK "hundreds of millions of pounds" in lost taxes.
BBC Radio 4's File on 4 discovered more than 48,000 of these companies have been created in the past five years.
Taking back control?
I have to disagree, the British people are overwhelmingy small "c" conservative, so not inclined to any form of radicalism, which true Labour is and should be.
Which favours the right. The left promise fairness which fundamentally cannot be done with a lie to influence the individual, since the fairness is as much for all others. The right promise riches which lends itself to lying to the individual.
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Problem is which working class. There isn't one. They are all aspiring middle class blue collar, call centre or whatever workers with mortgages, investments, debts, loans and looking forward to foreign holidays.The Elephant in the room is that the Labour Party was formed by the Unions to give the Working class a political voice
Fascinating that now you want the tail to wag the dog
You are way out, as are Labour. UK is predominantly centrist and probably right leaning. Didn't you catch the last election or recent by elections.
And your comments re gullible electorate only add to problem. Merely serves to reinforce the decisions people have made. People just think "thank goodness that type didn't get in".
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It isn't meant as a lie. The attachment was from official labour site, which clearly states... "where applicable labour Party members must be in a Union".
I have no axe to grind over issue, I had thought it case in past... Step son just joined Labour Party and had to join Fire Service union to do so? So perhaps both he and attachment are wrong.???
Either way, it makes no odds. Labour are controlled by McCluskey. That is wrong.
You agree Labour are in complete disarray yet argue nothing should be changed to cure problems. Find that quite odd.
I would replace the word 'middle' (class) with 'classless'.
Otherwise, I agree with the statement.
The initial objectives of the Labour movement have to evolve.
Resistance is futile.
That is what small "c" conservative means !!!
i.e. Very slightly right wing, a sort of caring right wing, so long as it's not too expensive.
The UK is certainly not predominantly centrist, if it was the Liberals would be in power since there could hardly be a more centrist party.
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They don't seem capable of evolution tho. There is just so much dogma attaching the entire movement to what certain people see as "true socialism". It's a shame. If Party doesn't change it will die. Seems every facet of attempted change is written off... Consequence of which is labour decaying before our eyes.
Well, that is nearly right, except for the fact the Labour party doesn't know some basic things
1: If it wants to be socialist
2: Who among the voters understand the principles of Socialism
3: Whether it wants to represent them anyway
4: If it wants to be anything other than a set of Time servers with well paid jobs and pension scheme, plus of course Israeli bungs
What do I offer as proof?
If they had any principles at all they would walk out and boycott Parliament as too corrupt and unworthy of support.
They may as well, it wouldn't actually matter would it?