It is good to see this data in a table. You may recall that I attempted to explain this in terms of private risk and public risk last week, and got insulted for my pains. As I continue to say, I doubt my son would even get the option of ICU had he contracted CV19. .. It would be just palliative care. ICU costs about 10K per day in resources.This is the chart used by our government.
I wonder how the potential benefit and harm is calculated.
Any idea?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Oh so recently the wonderful British papers ran this, and out Tory fan boys agreed
Now Johnson has gone for the same approach, so are the Conservatives now to be described in the same press in the same way?
Oh sure!
Now Johnson has gone for the same approach, so are the Conservatives now to be described in the same press in the same way?
Oh sure!
Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab - BBC News
A review finds a "plausible" link to rare blood clots, but says the jab remains beneficial for most.
www.bbc.co.uk
Moderna CEO brutally summed up EU's vaccine fiasco
MODERNA CEO brutally summed up what is wrong with the EU's vaccination programme, as he shed light on the negotiations between the two sides.
www.express.co.uk
Interesting article from head of Moderna.
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I have a suspicion that it is related to the use of vector viruses.
The actual situation with regards vaccine in EU.
IF someone gives me a bill, I’ll pay it. Simple.
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Covid vaccine: How many people are vaccinated in the UK?
A look at progress made in vaccinating the country, as more than 52 million people have received at least one dose and 38 million have had a booster or third dose.
www.bbc.com
And here is UK's current vaccine situation.
What were you saying OG?
To sum it up for you
EU have managed 17% of population vaccinated.
UK has managed 54%..
Yesterday in Italy 627 people died of covid.
Chance of a blood clot from AZ is 4 in a million.
Chance of death is 1 in a million.
A 250 mile road journey gives 1 in a million chance of death.
UK has steered the ship, many other countries stopped it.
The current situation accross much of Europe simply vindicates our Government's approach (to vaccines)
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79 cases of a blood clot that POSSIBLY MIGHT BE related to the Oxford vaccine, and which isn’t necessarily fatal, in twenty million doses dispensed? That’s one, POSSIBLY MIGHT BE, case of something which isn’t necessarily fatal in every quarter of a million doses. 0.0004% of vaccinations result in something that probably won’t kill you and isn’t necessarily linked to the vaccine.Oh so recently the wonderful British papers ran this, and out Tory fan boys agreed
Now Johnson has gone for the same approach, so are the Conservatives now to be described in the same press in the same way?
Oh sure!
Try something else to rubbish your country because this isn’t it.
The vaccine is still safer than the disease it protects against and I’d be very happy for all my family to receive it.
Now let’s examine the effect the UK’s wonderful Oxford & others vaccination roll out is having on infection rate, hospitalisations and deaths. Then let’s look at the cost of the EU’s dithering and delaying.
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Thanks to the tremendous work of the vaccination volunteers, the medical staff and the wider public who have largely ignored the bitter, resentful, negative clowns who haunt this thread, the U.K. is set to pass the thresh for herd immunity on Monday next week.
Vaccination take up in this country has so far been fantastic. Thankfully, the vast majority of people have totally ignored the idiots on these pages who believe that they have outwitted the people who’s life work has been the development and testing of vaccines, and spotted something which they have missed. Long may such idiots on here who overanalyse, and without fail, get it wrong continue to be ignored. You know who you are, you know you are wrong, you know people are doing the right thing by ignoring your stupidity and getting vaccinated with whichever vaccine is available.
”Can I have the PB vaccine in preference to the AZ?”
Straight out the first floor surgery window mate
Vaccination take up in this country has so far been fantastic. Thankfully, the vast majority of people have totally ignored the idiots on these pages who believe that they have outwitted the people who’s life work has been the development and testing of vaccines, and spotted something which they have missed. Long may such idiots on here who overanalyse, and without fail, get it wrong continue to be ignored. You know who you are, you know you are wrong, you know people are doing the right thing by ignoring your stupidity and getting vaccinated with whichever vaccine is available.
”Can I have the PB vaccine in preference to the AZ?”
Straight out the first floor surgery window mateThere would be possibly some validity in your argument if we even HAD the AZ vaccine. .. we in EU are still at 25% of the expected delivery schedule. I am not convinced that the UK yields were much better.
"The vaccine is still safer than the disease it protects against and I’d be very happy for all my family to receive it." .. You still don't get it. That depends on the circumstances, and the likihood of contracting the diseases. In the case of my family and in my circumstances, I would agree.. except perhaps in the case of my youngest daughter, where the odds are even steven.
What you are parroting is the public safety argument not the private risk. You are not an aspiring politician by any chance?.
That's silly nonsense.
There may be or may not be a link between the (AZ vaccine) platform or the vaccine to blood clots.
That is being looked into by a lot of doctors and scientists because we need to know if the chimpanzees' adenovirus is truly harmless in humans.
It was assumed that it's harmless, otherwise the good people working on the vaccine would not have used it. However, it was an assumption, now we have a chance to study it.
Such a study wasn't possible until now because the trials weren't approved. So drop that silly accusation that we somehow talked down the UK. Nobody on here attacks any vaccine.
I do get it. I understand that some people’s risks from the effects of contacting COVID are less than others. I understand that makes the risk to benefit ratio different for different people and their individual circumstances. I know all that.
Taking into consideration all of the above, it’s still madness to hesitate taking any vaccine. We must get as many people as possible in as many countries as possible vaccinated with whatever vaccine is approved. Anything less is stupidity.
Can I choose my vaccine
It’s not an effing Toby Carvery menu
0.0004% chance of something which is probably non fatal happening and no certainty there is a link. Do you have your tooth numbed for a dental filling? I bet you base jump from tall buildings too you daredevil
You’re nails though flecc. Not like us puffters who choose an anaesthetic
Will you never stop trying to put a twist on my posts?Rather a more rounded summary of vaccine situation than OG likes to spread.Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab - BBC News
A review finds a "plausible" link to rare blood clots, but says the jab remains beneficial for most.
Moderna CEO brutally summed up EU's vaccine fiasco
MODERNA CEO brutally summed up what is wrong with the EU's vaccination programme, as he shed light on the negotiations between the two sides.
Interesting article from head of Moderna.
I have never ever said stop using the AZ vaccine, just that it should be investigated and correct action over it's use be made.
Now explain what isn't well rounded about that?
I was accused of undermining the vaccine and one tory idiot on here suggest I be shot for something we are now doing!
In future treat my post with the level of attention they deserve
unlike yours they are based on the facts
Care to point the finger on anyone on here who said to stop using the vaccine?
it certainly wasn't me.
So why are you making these mad accusations? the only stupidity is shown by you saying I should be shot for voicing concern only to find the set of clowns you voted for are now saying the same thing.
It's you that has been stupid with your head in the sand
I meant shot with a cap firing potato gun. Didn’t I make that bit clear?