They are a bunch of dirty old fuckers on this thread
They need some Bromide in their Ovaltine
Brexit, for once some facts.
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They are a bunch of dirty old fuckers on this thread
They need some Bromide in their Ovaltine
I, d be fine either way. Making it mandatory and enforcing it are two different things. I ain't visiting places that don't want to support rules but I suspect a lot of businesses will be against it.
Was in a motorbike shop last week,I was only one in place with a mask on, some chap came in and asked why customers and assistants weren,t wearing masks. Owner pointed to sign saying masks must be worn and said" you (********) ask them. I, m not."Inspector walked out.I followed.
Strange old world..
Tell you what Jonathon, think I, m going to keep posting as Suzan. Never had so many PMs... Thought I was going to get a marriage proposal... From folk who normally swear and shout... I might blackmail a few with threat of posting messages sent to Suzan...??!!!
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Oh go on, show us the messages (I was about wolf whistle and say bits but didnt want to excite you too much..)
Speaking of which, I increasingly want to get a piaggio mp3 since OG's post about his moped a few posts back (the LT requires no mc licence and should give better braking, most serious wipeout in my lifes been due to braking distance), have either of you tried one?
They are brilliant. I borrowed an MP3 LT 250...loved it... Couldn't fault it... I, d have one definitely..
How do you leap to the mad conclusions you do?
You said that New Zealand's performance was only possible because of low population density
So I responded that Japan gave the lie to that case.
Both of those Governments handled the outbreak in a professional fashion unlike the pandemonium of incompetence plus the opportunity to engage in robbing the public purse that our clown show indulged in.
As I've said before, that isn't relevant.
They've done extremely well in economic terms of disease control, and in terms of not upsetting their population with oppressive rules and fines. Far, far better then we've done on all those with no more deaths than us.
With Covid passing, their far less disrupted population will be well placed to continue their success with no huge debt to pay off. Truly a lucky people, I wish we'd had their left wing government and policies.
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Moped?
Really? 300cc capable of speeds well in excess of 70mph and you call it a Moped?
Sad to say I have never had the opportunity to try one, but I'd like to
Liar, here's two:
OG's post was, as I and Danidl have said, a perfect comparison, therefore not stupid.
So that alone makes nonsense of your saying all OG's posts are Utter BS.
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No I'm not guessing. As has been pointed out, insurance liabilities will ensure it will be mandatory. I repeat, these so called choicea are mythical in practice.
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No I didn't, I said it was one of many contributing factors and went on to list them. All of which were inapplicable to UK.
And, yes, Japan did well (as I agreed) but the reasons for their succuss are actually as yet unknown, but believed to be (amongst others) the countries previous exposure to SARS, their social rules, their social interactions, their history of wearing masks(which goes back 500 years)...
As for using Japan as a comparative example to us, that is also utterly ridiculous. Had our Govt imposed such lax restrictions on UK its fairly well realised we, d have had an even worse outcome than the one we are experiencing.
Read the article.
UK isn't Japan, isn't New Zealand and when we do know the exact reasons countries have performed differently that will be the time to judge.
You, and others, are judging because they are Tories.. Not on objective criteria.
Yes, accepted, mistakes have been made but neither you or I know fully the extent of either those mistakes or their consequences.
If it was so easy how do you explain the current situation in France, Spain, Germany, Italy and Belgium. If it was simple we, d have beaten covid months ago. It isn't simple. Blaming Boris, Tories or, this government could easily lead to missing the real lessons we must learn.
I am not a Tory or a Labour supporter .. obviously . And the UK did very poorly because of its leadership. Italy got snookered in February, France and Spain in the same cycle. The UK has a minimum of an extra momonth. It blew it. .. The records are all there in the posting s of a year ago. All the time someone spent their time in racist comments about Bat Munching.
The lessons should be clear even to you
By any conceivable standards this Government is
Incompetent
Corrupt
Liars
Cheats
Distort the facts to suit themselves and blame anyone handy
Have presided over the worst civilian casualties since the Flu of 1917, indeed the black death
By any standard they are not fit to run the country and should literally be sacked by the Queen and ordered before an inquiry to answer for their wrongdoing.
In the meantime a coalition government should take power, as we do in wartime, which in effect is the situation we are now, and yet again with Corrupt First World War generals and Field Marshalls in charge, who don't give a damn about the casualties the public suffer.
And all that while they burgle the Treasury to line their mates offshore bank accounts.
Not well realised at all and not true as the Swedish example showed very clearly.
They were very relaxed, suggesting, not enforcing, only minimal restrictions. People still went to work rather than hanging around at home socialising, no primary school ever closed, secondary schools only slightly affected but with no exam disruption. Cafes, restaurants, hairdressers etc all remained open as did non-essential shops, just with voluntary social distancing and no idiotic huge fines.
All with no higher death proportion than us, no severely damaged economy and no immense bill at the end to haunt them many decades into the future. As you know I've been saying all this for many months, preaching that we should be doing the same. So yes, it's now shown that I did know better than our so called experts and politicians who have proved to be utterly worthless, only the luck of the vaccines coming in time and working sufficiently to save them from complete disgrace following their year long silly tactics and complete lack of strategy.
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Making it mandatory matters. Had same debate back in late 90's in Africa during HIV pandemic. Does one have to inform ones employer of ones status or not. You'd be foolish if you did - even in post apartheid south africa employers would get rid off you in a flash (rather than carry the burden of your potentially long term illness). But HIV attacks organs - including the brain (AIDS related dementia). Which could well have a potentially dangerous effect on ones capacity to do ones potentially risky job that has consequences for ones colleagues, customers (I had an oddly funny - in a dark sense - experience treating a local postman with AIDS related dementia).
But one thing that occur to me is that making reporting ones status mandatory can leave one at the mercy of the discretion of others. Unscrupulous employers in Africa in the nineties. Or how would you feel if the owner of the motorcycle shop refused you entry because you tested positive on one of the unreliable tests used at present. For weeks?
It's something I haven't considered that much, but you are right. There are bound to be downsides,it's just deciding whether the downsides are acceptable for the benefits.
I do think the Aids issue is a bit different. There was much more of a stigma attached to it, which has dissapated somewhat and not sure it would even apply to covid/vaccine.
In some ways it has similarities to the smoking ban. Many saw that as over restrictive, the hospitality industry certainly did, but many customers approved from the start.
On the balance I, d go for mandatory vaccine certificate but can see that would be problematic for some... Whatever we do is though.
I, m afraid Flecc that is purely hypothetical. Had we adopted a more relaxed stance I suspect our death rate would have been even worse.
Its strange that you and OG seem not to disagree over this issue when OG insists many policies have been late or helped to cause our death rate,whereas you see lockdown as being over restrictive.
I, ve said before, Sweden enjoys many advantages in dealing with covid we do not. They are more socially distanced, more geographically distanced and have the greatest percentage of people living alone in Europe. They also followed the less restrictive rules quite implicitly.
There are also many in Sweden arguing lives have been wasted because of their more relaxed stance.
To be honest flecc, I don't think anyone actually knows. It's why we should all put down our bias and find out over next few years exactly what helps and what doesn't. Suspect it will change with different situations tho.
Just to point out the impossible task authorities have had...
Reports/data from Wuhan suggested one female "super spreader" managed to infect 15 people travelling on a short bus journey.
Then we have reports of individuals becoming infected and somehow not managing to infect partners or other members of household.
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We kicked that can down the road then. But inasmuch as professional ethics are informed by personal ethics (treating others as we want to be treated), I know what I'd prefer - having the freedom to use my own discretion to decide who knows what about me. It comes with personal responsibility in a Liberal society I prefer to one in which pathological liars like wanksock and Boris establish whats good for me.
I suppose its different as we age. Trying to think of situation where I would need a vaccine "passport" and what I, d miss if I hadn't got one. Curry house once a fortnight, going to occasional concert, holidays, and rare pub visit... It would hardly affect me at all if I missed out on all that and other side of coin is passport brings those that bit closer.
I don't see it as this freedom infringement issue. I, ll be having both jabs ASAP, I, d get a passport if needed. Its no big deal really. Taking my driving license off me at 70 is rather more confrontational, and that new set of rules has sneaked in... No doubt somebody can justify it.