The problem is that it never stops with curry houses and concerts. Its the thin edge of a very ugly wedge of increasing centralised control by a government that is worryingly adept at manipulating the electorate to make increasingly bad, destructive decisions (brexit). But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I've had both the 250cc and the 500cc ..both mine required a motorbike licence...the ones
you can drive on a car licence have a slightly wider front wheelbase (making them a trike)
but they are no wider than a large motorbike making them ideal for filtering....the 500cc
one would do 100mph. I liked them, just found them a bit under powered for fast overtakes...Yamaha do a 900cc that goes like stink but you need a bike licence.
Why wouldn’t a person be vaccinated or why would they refer to a face mask as a face nappy? The answer is, because they are a bell end. You don’t want these people anywhere near you. You don’t want to associate with these people. You don’t want them in your line of sight. A vaccine passport delivers all of this. The new normal could have some distinct advantages over the old normal.
And now Holland places restrictions on a vaccine which poses an unproven threat that is negligible when compared to the threat of contracting the disease it protects against.
Oh dear, oh dear. Who knew the word Oxford was so powerful?
Oh dear, oh dear. Who knew the word Oxford was so powerful?
That’s a ridiculous idea. How would I know it belongs to you? You might have forged it or borrowed it off someone. The vaccine passport needs to be digital, use biometric identity data and be linked to a central government server. A piece of cardboard isn’t good enough.We already possess all the identification that could possibly be needed in the vaccination certificate issued at the time of injection.
Why not make producing them mandatory?
No cost involved
Individual liberty - freedom to make decisions and do what one want within reason - is a basic principle of democracy. I drive down the m40 at 90 mph several times a week. Many would consider that contemptible, but I'm quite happy to live in a society where my car isnt fitted with a device that reports any infringement to authorities.
And so could a passport, but you seem to want a fascist state, don't you?
The problem with that idea is it's probable the car is in contact with the authorities if you use a mobile phone, and on later models likely to store data that can be used against you
Best plan Obey speed limits out of a sense of social responsibility
Now show the number that have not been half dosed and been properly dosed, ignoring the fact they were not even done according to manufacturers instructions
And of course it pays toremember a large portion of the numbers administered are due to vaccine coming in from the EU and none going the other way.
And by the way here are the actual vaccine packs
Show me where the name "Oxford "Appears
It doesn't , does it?
How can a word conspicuous be being absent be powerful?
you are once again talking BS
Chances are tho, if you are involved in an accident police can down load all info from car's data storage already. And, why shouldn't they, to determine who is to blame. You must tax, insure and register your car so the freedom is only an impression. Between your phone, car's GPS and car's data they already know exactly where you have been.
I can't see any vaccine passport being as invasive as you carrying a tracking device, which you do. Probably 2.???
And none of them actually inhibit your freedom. You can go where you want, do what you want with whom you want? What's the problem? Most of it, if not all, is to stop you inhibiting other people's freedoms. Like giving them covid or smashing into them at 100mph.
Look at idiots on this very forum. Riding untaxed, uninsured, unlicensed motor bikes... In name of freedom.
People are incapable of following simple rules without law legislation and enforcement.
Tell folk limit for pedelec is 250w and what do they do... Build and buy 6kw ones.
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The only reservation I have about vaccine passports is the additional cost over the injection certificate, and how many billions will be spaffed at people like Dido to get a system to run it that works!
The issue I have with that is you are endangering people around you by traveling at 90 mph as opposed to 70 mph. Personal risk is your choice, but the poor bastards you hit wouldn’t get a say. At 90 mph, your car has more kinetic energy than it would have than if it were traveling at 70 mph. In a crash, that additional kinetic energy could make the difference between it being a fatal accident or not.
It’s precisely the kind of selfishness you have boasted about that makes it necessary for us to have vaccination passports. You can’t be trusted to act in a fashion which takes into consideration the wellbeing of your fellow citizens. You’ve proved it. You need to be placed under central government control for the good of others.
I've a hunch this wont wash on the thread, but here goes: I think having the freedom to interpret the law for oneself, have the freedom to make decisions and live with the consequences are vital for living a meaningful life. Smoke cannabis at uni, drive too fast (not be prohibited from it), act on ones impulses and make sense of what one did afterwards as part of living out what's inside. I'd hate not to have made (and had the opportunity to make) any of the mistakes I've made.
My info may well be out of date now this was a couple of years ago, but an ex work colleague of mine now works for the Police Accident investigation team. He told me it can be difficult to down load this info from some cars, Mercedes in particular could be awkward to deal with. He assumed it was because their car owners might get worried about the amount of information being recorded and might instead buy a different make of car. Therefore Mercedes would make life difficult for law enforcement to get access to this data.
Not really. I've had a licence for over thirty years and have not been responsible for a single accident that harmed others (and have been on advanced driving training). I enjoy driving, am a safe driver and know what I'm doing. At 90 mph. You make too many assumptions about others as part of presuming the right to tell them what to do.
You are a Public Nuisance.
Advanced driving course attendees are the worst drivers on the road. You should know from your course content not to drive at 90 mph. More proof that you require enhanced government control.
I've just heard some stats being quoted on the radio in relation to vaccines and blood clots. In this country you have a 1 in 600,000 chance of getting a clot with the AZ vaccine. In Europe you have a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting a clot with the AZ vaccine. We are dealing with such small numbers that perhaps that difference is not significant, also if Europe had been using the AZ vaccine on younger people (until recently) that might explain the difference.
If you get Covid 19 then the chances of getting a clot are 1 in 6 (I must admit I did not know it was that high). If the 1 in 6 figure is anything like accurate then if the chances of getting a clot from the vaccine are 1 in 600,000 or 1 in 100,000 then most people would choose the vaccine I would have thought.
There have been a couple of blood clots in this country in people who have been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine this compares with about 30 in the UK who have had the AZ, again these are such small numbers I am not sure if anything can really be concluded from them. Also I think some of these rare blood clots occur naturally anyway, so its very difficult to see just what is going on.
I had the AZ vaccine and I was glad to have had it, if I had been given a choice between the AZ vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine at the vaccination center I would have chosen the Pfizer. This would not have been because I was worried about blood clots or which one was the more effective. It would have been because anecdotally Pfizer seems to have less side effects than the AZ vaccine.
If you get Covid 19 then the chances of getting a clot are 1 in 6 (I must admit I did not know it was that high). If the 1 in 6 figure is anything like accurate then if the chances of getting a clot from the vaccine are 1 in 600,000 or 1 in 100,000 then most people would choose the vaccine I would have thought.
There have been a couple of blood clots in this country in people who have been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine this compares with about 30 in the UK who have had the AZ, again these are such small numbers I am not sure if anything can really be concluded from them. Also I think some of these rare blood clots occur naturally anyway, so its very difficult to see just what is going on.
I had the AZ vaccine and I was glad to have had it, if I had been given a choice between the AZ vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine at the vaccination center I would have chosen the Pfizer. This would not have been because I was worried about blood clots or which one was the more effective. It would have been because anecdotally Pfizer seems to have less side effects than the AZ vaccine.
Wholly inadequate security.We already possess all the identification that could possibly be needed in the vaccination certificate issued at the time of injection.
Why not make producing them mandatory?
No cost involved
Almost anyone could produce them by the thousand as a reasonable facsimile.
And nothing to link the card to the person holding it.
There is plenty to indicate that a woman taking a contraceptive pill (or HRT) and flying multiple times (whether on holiday or for work) has a massively higher likelihood of a blood clot. (Albeit, more often not this specific brain clot issue.)
"They found that women who had taken HRT tablets were 58 per cent more likely to develop a blood clot within 90 days than those who hadn’t taken HRT. To put this into context, each year about 16 women in every 10,000 who had not taken HRT developed blood clots. In those who had taken HRT tablets, there were an extra nine cases per 10,000."
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/hrt-and-blood-clot-risk
It must be devastating for someone to die from a clot apparently associated with the vaccine. But it is pretty devasting to die from Covid or a blood clot from other avoidable (or unavoidable, for that matter) causes.