Made me think of an alternative vaccine; one that caused instant death as soon as you contracted Covid. I haven't tried making a model, but I think that could stop spread and throttle Covid quite quickly.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Ursula von der Leyen threatens AstraZeneca with vaccine export ban
The European Commission President upped the ante in a vaccine row on Saturday
What a state of affairs.
Wouldn't it be nice to really know the truth.
One side say UK placed orders 3 months before EU the other says not. One side did authorise usage well before other but should that affect delivery?
There are reports supply in EU is causing problems and there are reports they have stock piles. Germany was reported to be holding 3 million AZ in Berlin, because folk were not rolling up, then that is denied.
Meanwhile us lot don't know who to believe,disagree with each other and just as in lots of places argue rather than solve the issue.
We really should not be in this position. All the countries now squabbling are rich beyond belief yet can't organise production and supply of vaccine without starting WW3. I, m not singling anyone out. We are all as bad.
Russians have it already. Novachikovid.
The, EU has made a mess of vaccine roll out but,should they still get a fair supply? What is a fair supply? If we are all being moral and humane as OG suggested perhaps we should distribute all vaccines throughout world and all get vaccine at same pace... So at current rate that's 5 years at least.???And in mean time folk here are dying, or would be in next inevitable wave.
Who knows. I don't. I give in.
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You're too late !
I suggested a "Kill or Cure Vaccine" on here weeks ago
Should be compulsory reading for us all. And it's in the Guardian. Usual suspects will belittle it... Ignore it or down right deny it. But there you go.
The problem is that there is no integrated organisation on the one hand
"Spanish belief in the European project, which I have embraced along with recently acquired Spanish nationality, means there has been little public complaint and no political fallout. Yet that project will not work if we do not all shout and scream when it performs as badly as now.
And in the same article
"Spain is currently sitting on more than 750,000 AstraZeneca doses, having used only half its stock. Revelations in the Financial Times reveal that this has been coordinated across EU capitals – who are worried that the blood clot scare will damage overall vaccine uptake. Anecdotally, all I can say is that the damage appears to be done, with politicians constantly fuelling suspicion about the AstraZeneca vaccine. "
For crying out loud Spain doesn't have a shortage of vaccine just a shortage of politicians who can tell their arse from their elbows
And that is something the EU does not control as it has no power to
Yes if you afford to you buy more insurance Remember there were hundreds of vaccine candidates nine months ago., There were dozens six months ago. There are now a maximum of 4 certified in Western Europe and 3 in the USA, only 2 available.
This "usual suspect" has reacted in exactly the same way he did before by pointing out that the correspondent is like a lot more people, not blaming those who are actually responsible for the situation, the local politicians.
The EU i
France
French Govt Vaccine rollout plans
Germany
Germany Vaccine rollout strategy
And they procured quite a lot off their own back not through the EU
" Germany – with its population of 83 million – has ordered a large supply of vaccine doses: 94.1 million doses from BioNTech/Pfizer alone (through the EU mechanism and unilaterally) and over 50 million each from Moderna, CureVac, AstraZeneca and Sanofi/GSK, plus over 36 million from Johnson&Johnson. However, by early February, only the mRNA and AstraZeneca produced vaccines are authorised in the EU. BioNTech/Pfizer and AstraZeneca have issued warnings of significant delays in production, taking policy-makers by surprise who had failed to appreciate the challenge of scaling up production at such speed. STIKO, the commission advising the Government on vaccines and vaccination hosted by the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), also advised against the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine in people over the age of 65 years, due to concerns about the small amount of efficacy data available for this age group. In consequence, efforts to roll out quickly have been hampered by a shortage of vaccine doses experienced up and down the country.
The EU isn't "rolling out" the vaccinesUrsula von der Leyen threatens AstraZeneca with vaccine export ban
The European Commission President upped the ante in a vaccine row on Saturdaywww.telegraph.co.uk
What a state of affairs.
Wouldn't it be nice to really know the truth.
One side say UK placed orders 3 months before EU the other says not. One side did authorise usage well before other but should that affect delivery?
There are reports supply in EU is causing problems and there are reports they have stock piles. Germany was reported to be holding 3 million AZ in Berlin, because folk were not rolling up, then that is denied.
Meanwhile us lot don't know who to believe,disagree with each other and just as in lots of places argue rather than solve the issue.
We really should not be in this position. All the countries now squabbling are rich beyond belief yet can't organise production and supply of vaccine without starting WW3. I, m not singling anyone out. We are all as bad.
Russians have it already. Novachikovid.
The, EU has made a mess of vaccine roll out but,should they still get a fair supply? What is a fair supply? If we are all being moral and humane as OG suggested perhaps we should distribute all vaccines throughout world and all get vaccine at same pace... So at current rate that's 5 years at least.???And in mean time folk here are dying, or would be in next inevitable wave.
Who knows. I don't. I give in.
France
French Govt Vaccine rollout plans
Germany
Germany Vaccine rollout strategy
And they procured quite a lot off their own back not through the EU
" Germany – with its population of 83 million – has ordered a large supply of vaccine doses: 94.1 million doses from BioNTech/Pfizer alone (through the EU mechanism and unilaterally) and over 50 million each from Moderna, CureVac, AstraZeneca and Sanofi/GSK, plus over 36 million from Johnson&Johnson. However, by early February, only the mRNA and AstraZeneca produced vaccines are authorised in the EU. BioNTech/Pfizer and AstraZeneca have issued warnings of significant delays in production, taking policy-makers by surprise who had failed to appreciate the challenge of scaling up production at such speed. STIKO, the commission advising the Government on vaccines and vaccination hosted by the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), also advised against the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine in people over the age of 65 years, due to concerns about the small amount of efficacy data available for this age group. In consequence, efforts to roll out quickly have been hampered by a shortage of vaccine doses experienced up and down the country.
Nope!. Nothing like 5 years. That is the beauty of these vaccines. There is a gestational period, but the quantities of product produced is phenomenal. .. a Single batch of the AZ treats 1M . And we need 14,000 batches. We have come from zero to 200M in 3 months from a standing start in mass production.Ursula von der Leyen threatens AstraZeneca with vaccine export ban
The European Commission President upped the ante in a vaccine row on Saturday
What a state of affairs.
Wouldn't it be nice to really know the truth.
One side say UK placed orders 3 months before EU the other says not. One side did authorise usage well before other but should that affect delivery?
There are reports supply in EU is causing problems and there are reports they have stock piles. Germany was reported to be holding 3 million AZ in Berlin, because folk were not rolling up, then that is denied.
Meanwhile us lot don't know who to believe,disagree with each other and just as in lots of places argue rather than solve the issue.
We really should not be in this position. All the countries now squabbling are rich beyond belief yet can't organise production and supply of vaccine without starting WW3. I, m not singling anyone out. We are all as bad.
Russians have it already. Novachikovid.
The, EU has made a mess of vaccine roll out but,should they still get a fair supply? What is a fair supply? If we are all being moral and humane as OG suggested perhaps we should distribute all vaccines throughout world and all get vaccine at same pace... So at current rate that's 5 years at least.???And in mean time folk here are dying, or would be in next inevitable wave.
Who knows. I don't. I give in.
Hmm the Fascist Daily strikes again
Because the Tories are mad about flags and pretend to be patriotic?
So were these people
Because the Tories are mad about flags and pretend to be patriotic?
So were these people
it will be 2 years if bought and paid for by the UN.
We won't be there for at least a generation or two.
To be fair OG I wasn't actually including you in the usual suspects this time. You have been critical of countries ignoring EMA and you have made fair points.
With regards who to blame, EU or specific countries don't shoot the messenger. However, the correspondant was expressing his opinion and I, m afraid, to coin a vulgar phrase, think you are pissing in the wind. Its been my experience, and I, ve said as much before, most if not all folk I know in France and Spain feel exactly same,for reasons I can't fathom the expats who have returned feel less so and more akinn to your attitude.
The sentiments expressed in the article are very common.
But as I said earlier, in the post you chose to ignore, I havent got a clue any more. Just glad to be in privileged position of all family over 35 having been vaccinated.
And, I, ll repeat my earlier point. We should be capable of producing vaccine in sufficient quantities needed already, had governments actually behaved properly. They didn't, so we are all still in a mess.
Not so. I'm one of your usual suspects but I've long known the EU's vaccines program has failed so far and will struggle from now on. But as OG has already observed, that is not the EU's fault but entirely the fault of the member countries. Here's why:
Seeing the need fof vaccination the EU Commission thought it an ideal subject for Europe wide administration, both to prevent the rich countries grabbing the advantage to the detriment of the poor and to give maximum buying power.
But they don't have the authority to enforce that so asked the member countries if they agreed. They did so the Commission went ahead. Of course because they were acting for others they couldn't take any medical risks so would only place firm orders and buy when a vaccine had complete all the usual safety checks.
That of course meant a country which took risks as the UK did would leap ahead, and since that gamble paid off, it's led to EU citizens unhappy that they are at present well behind us in getting vaccinated.
This has been compounded by many EU country leaders reneging on their promise to leave it to the EU by holding up any vaccine which hasn't completed all safety checks or which has raised concerns over a possible safety problem, despite the EU and it's EMA clearing the vaccines as safe.
In turn this has led to many individual citizens being unwilling to accept a vaccine which had been under suspicion, or even any vaccine. Thus the damage has been done, but done entirely by the guilty individual EU countries and not by the EU Commission or the EMA who have acted responsibly.
This once again underlines that the EU cannot operate well in the current partial state of existence, so another model for progress to a unified Europe should be adopted. I'd suggest that should be the countries most in favour of full union go ahead and create the autonomous core country of a United Europe, gradually adding others as they wish and are suitable. Rather as the USA had done with New Mexico, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawai.
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Let's hope so. There are a lot of us on planet and I wonder if arguments will get worse before they get better. Still think it will be 5 years before entire planet has access to a vaccine...??? We, ll see.
Can't fault any of that flecc. Fair points.
We, ve said before EU is between a rock and a hard place. Many of its advisory recomnendations should be compulsory, but that requires more loss of sovereignty for all members. Its either time to move on and give complete control to Brussels... Or I, m afraid forget it..???
Perhaps this might lead to break up of EU and a proper United States of
Europe developing.
I said now years ago it used to drive me bonkers trying to get stuff done in Spain/France, EU rules, Local rules,. National rules, us not getting planning on anything then locals get planning to build brothels. (that actually happened)
I think we, ve had a share of that this time. EMA saying one thing, Macron and French another, Merkel and Germany something else and then Nordic countries saying something completely different.
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Seems to have past us all by but UK managed 711,000 plus vaccinations on Friday. New record, previous day was old record at 600,000 plus. Good effort.
1.3 million over 2 days...
1.3 million over 2 days...
The world is surely going mad
I really cannot understand the Mail Online's agenda running a November 2006 article about Patel being in favour of the Death penalty.
Unless they are sounding out the public's attitude to even worse excesses against human rights than even the ones they are presently inflicting on the country
Restore death penalty and never scrap the pound' says Priti Patel
I really cannot understand the Mail Online's agenda running a November 2006 article about Patel being in favour of the Death penalty.
Unless they are sounding out the public's attitude to even worse excesses against human rights than even the ones they are presently inflicting on the country
Restore death penalty and never scrap the pound' says Priti Patel
