Pfizer isn’t supplying at cost price, they have said so. The same applies to the others you have mentioned, they have also said so.
The Oxford vaccine is being supplied at or very close to cost. The others are not. Fact
Stop making stuff up.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The Oxford vaccine is being supplied at or very close to cost. The others are not. Fact
Stop making stuff up.
With your anti-EU fanaticism you are posting nonsense. As at the start of February Italy had injected 70% of all the supplies received but were suffering shortage of supplies which their PM was complaining about. AZ had just told them that they would only be delivering 40% of the contracted supply and Pfizer were delaying production so would also fall short.
And you've posted untruths about our vaccine program, claiming the oldest age group will be getting their second doses in two weeks time. I'm in that group having had my first jab in January but my second jab is scheduled for just over two months away, not two weeks.
The temporary pause in applying the AZ vaccine by some other countries is a very reasonable precaution in the circumstances when there's a possibility of harm from a treatment that hasn't been fully trialled or peer reviewed. This is especially true when the country so vigorously promoting it, Britain, is known to be so untrustworthy and led by a notorious liar.
e.g. We reached trade agreement with the EU, but as we left the EU, that PM immediately said he wouldn't necessarily keep to the agreement.
We've now broken the agreement on the conditions of trading with Northern Ireland and are refusing to comply.
We've fallen down on promises of supplies of the AZ vaccine to the EU, as the Italian example above shows, 3.4 million doses instead of 8 million.
And the claims being made for the AZ vaccine are nonsensical. Only last week AZ said they have proved it to be 100% effective. Since we have emphatic proof that it only has a very limited effect in preventing catching Covid and preventing transmission, it is very far from being 100% effective. Our own medical experts have now said they expect a surge of Covid in the Autumn, despite almost all of the population being vaccinated by then, mostly with the AZ, so clearly it is failing to fully protect.
On March 11th NHS England promised a huge increase in the vaccination program, speaking of a potential doubling to 8 million a week and bringing forward second doses. Yet now just a few days later they are already saying there will be a shortage of all supplies meaning a potential reduction of the program.
Clearly nothing said by this country is dependable and no doubt those other countries in the EU, having seen this wilful double dealing at first hand, will have that in mind when assessing the claimed safety of the AZ vaccine.
Even French Pygmies, Irish Leprechauns and the Mafiosi know liars when they meet them.
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I'll have to try to work out what you mean
AZ have got a head start by being banned?
And once again you are making what are to you convenient conclusions when we don't know why the African countries are taking that decision to stop using it, even though it's cheapest?
No logic at all there is there?
Yes your hypocrisy does reign, the EU are recommending the use of this vaccine, individual nations have decided otherwise, and now African ones too
Is Africa in the EU?
What would you like us to condemn?
OK Here you go, I'm blaming you for making bitter attacks on countries that belong to the EU as if membership of the EU changed their decisions, and that has sweet nothing to do with the African nations, does it?
Basically the way I see it
Any nation on Earth that trusts any statement guarantee or promise that has been even marginally connected with the present government, would be stupid not to be cautious
The only plot involved is coming from them and the attitude of those who voted for them.
Tell me why is it a matter of National Pride anyway?
My friends in their 60s get their second vaccination in two weeks time.
Italy are not short of vaccine. They have unused stocks of the Oxford vaccine. The same applies to others.
You can repackage it how you like. The EU is making the mother of all messes of vaccination.
I haven't a clue what you mean by that?
If you mean voted politically, I do that on the basis of all the circumstances, and anyway I voted Labour at the recent GEs.
If you mean in accepting the vaccine, I've already posted that whether it kills me isn't of any consequence at my near to death age. I will certainly die shortly, so whether that's from my serious heart condition, natural death, prostate cancer or Covid isn't important. The end result is the same.
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My second one is due on April the first.
Your guarantee is much appreciated
The Oxford vaccine is being supplied at or very close to cost.
/since previous pots you have added
at or very close to cost.
Stop making stuff up.
I’ve used the words, at or very close to, consistently.
..reading broadens the mind ..look at the numbers in the BMJ article. Now since it is my policy to respond 3 times on any topic, you have now exceeded your quota on this one.
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The hold up is the availability. We are held up in the same way by availability too compared to the rest of the world. It will be eased off by the end of the year, before winter.
You are confused on the issues. There is hardly any difference regarding vaccination strategy so stop repeating the same silly argument.
here is the reason given for the suspension of AZ in Germany:
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Compared to the status on 11 March 2021, additional cases (as of Monday, 15 March 2021) have now been reported in Germany. Analysing the new data status, the experts of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut now see a striking accumulation of a special form of very rare cerebral vein thrombosis (sinus vein thrombosis) in connection with a deficiency of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia) and bleeding in temporal proximity to vaccinations with the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca.
The data are being further analysed and evaluated by the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
Vaccinations with AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine in Germany will be suspended until the EMA's evaluation is complete. Today's decision affects both initial and follow-up vaccinations.
The Paul-Ehrlich-Institut advises that individuals who have received AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine and feel increasingly unwell more than four days after vaccination - for example, with severe and persistent headache or pinpoint bleeding of the skin - should seek medical treatment immediately.
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Compared to the status on 11 March 2021, additional cases (as of Monday, 15 March 2021) have now been reported in Germany. Analysing the new data status, the experts of the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut now see a striking accumulation of a special form of very rare cerebral vein thrombosis (sinus vein thrombosis) in connection with a deficiency of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia) and bleeding in temporal proximity to vaccinations with the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca.
The data are being further analysed and evaluated by the European Medicines Agency (EMA).
Vaccinations with AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine in Germany will be suspended until the EMA's evaluation is complete. Today's decision affects both initial and follow-up vaccinations.
The Paul-Ehrlich-Institut advises that individuals who have received AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine and feel increasingly unwell more than four days after vaccination - for example, with severe and persistent headache or pinpoint bleeding of the skin - should seek medical treatment immediately.
While I in my mid 80s have to wait until April 23rd, several more weeks despite my supposedly being two groups and a couple of months ahead of them and my NHS classification being that I'm a clinically extremely vulnerable person.
Illustrating very clearly what a cock-up the UK has made of our vaccination program, leaving the most vulnerable at extreme risk while vaccinating the much lower at risk.
Given the record I fully expect the second jab stages to be similarly messed up, especially with several vaccines involved and now a shortage of vaccine.
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How can it be availability when they (Italy) are sat on stocks of Oxford vaccine?
You are starting to come across as a very special and unique kind of idiot when you suggest that a country with a large stock of unused vaccine is being held up by a lack of vaccine.
This is rubbish and a spiteful attempt at a hatchet job. The numbers are absolutely minuscule. The risk is insignificant when contrasted against the benefit.
You know very well that I am correct on this subject.
You have started behaving like a knob head again. Stop