I don’t think the extended dose interval is political. It was contrived by medical experts as a strategy to take pressure off the NHS. I can’t see anyone in this government having the necessary intelligence to come up with it.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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In deal with Belgium, UK won’t vaccinate some British diplomatic staff at NATO and EU missions
London is sending vaccine to diplomats and their families abroad but UK staff on local contracts in Belgium aren’t being jabbed.
www.politico.eu
Interestingly the Brits working in Belgium can't have vaccine, under directions from Belgium (EU?) even tho they have access to them from UK. (the Brits must follow local vaccination schemes, ie wait another 2 or 3 months)
Contrast that with Spanish workers going into Gibraltar get vaccinated under UK regime. (and all now vaccinated)
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This article lists many of the covid vaccines, the prices they charge and the amounts of money they are likely to make over the next few years.
From Pfizer to Moderna: who's making billions from Covid vaccines? | Business | The Guardian
From Pfizer to Moderna: who's making billions from Covid vaccines? | Business | The Guardian
Peston: Why government’s decision to delay second vaccine dose is important | ITV News
Robert Peston explains why the government's decision to delay the second dose to three months is an important move in the fight against Covid-19. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
It wasn't a political decision Jesus, you are right. Even Peston, normally a devout critic of Johnson can see that.
Vaccine experts defend UK decision to delay second Pfizer Covid jab
Medics told they risk undermining public confidence by querying policy of three-month gap between doses
www.theguardian.com
UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy
But David Nabarro says vaccine doses should be shared with poorer countries once over-50s have been inoculated.
And below is quote from representative of WHO (Nabaro?) on TV last weekend.
But no doubt we, ll have a better informed expert on here.
But our expert could be right. Nabaro should probably have said.
"Thank you Mr Johnson".
I don't think so.
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But an interesting divergence is occurring:Peston: Why government’s decision to delay second vaccine dose is important | ITV News
Robert Peston explains why the government's decision to delay the second dose to three months is an important move in the fight against Covid-19. | ITV National News
It wasn't a political decision Jesus, you are right. Even Peston, normally a devout critic of Johnson can see that.
Even Guardian quoted medical experts saying same as Sage.Vaccine experts defend UK decision to delay second Pfizer Covid jab
Medics told they risk undermining public confidence by querying policy of three-month gap between doses
And that bastion of Tory cronyism WHO has vindicated decision, so far.UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy
But David Nabarro says vaccine doses should be shared with poorer countries once over-50s have been inoculated.www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
And below is quote from representative of WHO (Nabaro?) on TV last weekend.
View attachment 41126
But no doubt we, ll have a better informed expert on here.
But our expert could be right. Nabaro should probably have said.
"Thank you Mr Johnson".
I don't think so.
| England | Wales | |
| Received second | 598,345 | 154,819 |
| Total vaccinated | 17,777,836 | 967,042 |
3.37% | 16.01% |
Of those vaccinated, 598,345 people have received a 2nd dose, taking the total number of vaccinations given to 17,777,836
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/COVID-19-weekly-announced-vaccinations-4-March-2021.pdf
A total of 967,042 people in Wales have been given a first dose of Covid vaccine, while 154,819 have now been given the full course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643
(If the England figures actually mean number of vaccinations - rather than number of people vaccinated - the percentage rises to 3.8% - an ignorably small increase in the context.)
Just fixed the Wales quote/link.
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Vaccinations are now being rolled out to 56 year olds & over. Booked my first jab next week and the second in May. My 70 year old friend in France still has no vaccination date!
I can’t wait, by mid June I can start licking door handles and buttons on pedestrian crossings again. It’s been so long since I’ve been able to do that. I might see if POLLY wants to buddy up with me and join in.
I can’t wait, by mid June I can start licking door handles and buttons on pedestrian crossings again. It’s been so long since I’ve been able to do that. I might see if POLLY wants to buddy up with me and join in.
UK hits 1m second doses of COVID-19 vaccine as campaign shifts to next phase
More than 1m people UK-wide have now had two doses of COVID-19 vaccine, official figures will confirm today.
www.gponline.com
All looking positive tho. Talk in here of delivering 3 million 2nd jabs a week yet still maintaining 1st jab roll out. Must be a logistical nightmare.
I agree on the point about intelligence, but then they don't usually employ it in decision making anywayI don’t think the extended dose interval is political. It was contrived by medical experts as a strategy to take pressure off the NHS. I can’t see anyone in this government having the necessary intelligence to come up with it.
The experts, medical or otherwise, never apply policy, they advise. The extended dose was one of a number of courses which the medical experts will have advised had various advantages. I've already explained some of those choices. This government certainly has the political intelligence to choose the one that suits them most.
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Still taking sly little digs hiding behind a block? naughty boy Zlatan, but all of this self congratulation is far too convenient to ring true.Peston: Why government’s decision to delay second vaccine dose is important | ITV News
Robert Peston explains why the government's decision to delay the second dose to three months is an important move in the fight against Covid-19. | ITV National News
It wasn't a political decision Jesus, you are right. Even Peston, normally a devout critic of Johnson can see that.
Even Guardian quoted medical experts saying same as Sage.Vaccine experts defend UK decision to delay second Pfizer Covid jab
Medics told they risk undermining public confidence by querying policy of three-month gap between doses
And that bastion of Tory cronyism WHO has vindicated decision, so far.UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy
But David Nabarro says vaccine doses should be shared with poorer countries once over-50s have been inoculated.
And below is quote from representative of WHO (Nabaro?) on TV last weekend.
View attachment 41126
But no doubt we, ll have a better informed expert on here.
But our expert could be right. Nabaro should probably have said.
"Thank you Mr Johnson".
I don't think so.
Desperate people take desperate measures in the hope of getting lucky, and perhaps they have.
Perhaps......
Well played there
"This government certainly has the political intelligence to choose the one that suits them most."
Never a truer word spoken!
A request for casualty reports to ONS returned this
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We are currently analysing data and will include these figures in the Monthly Mortality Analysis publication.
As such, the information you have requested is considered exempt under Section 22(1) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, whereby information is exempt from release if there is a view to publish the information in the future. Furthermore, as a central government department and producer of official statistics, we need to have the freedom to be able to determine our own publication timetables. This is to allow us to deal with the necessary preparation, administration and context of publications. It would be unreasonable to consider disclosure when to do so would undermine our functions.
This exemption is subject to a public interest test. We recognise the desirability of information being freely available and this is considered by ONS when publication schedules are set in accordance with the Code of Practice for Statistics. The need for timely data must be balanced against the practicalities of applying statistical skill and judgement to produce the high quality, assured data needed to inform decision-making. If this balance is incorrectly applied, then we run the risk of decisions being based on inaccurate data which is arguably not in the public interest. This will have an impact on public trust in official statistics in a time when accuracy of official statistics is more important to the public than ever before."
Rather different to the Israelis eh?
Obviously they are better at body counts than we are
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The one million is UK-wide whereas the figures for England I quoted are England-only. Something like a third of second doses seem to have been given in Wales and Scotland. Have not checked NI.UK hits 1m second doses of COVID-19 vaccine as campaign shifts to next phase
More than 1m people UK-wide have now had two doses of COVID-19 vaccine, official figures will confirm today.
All looking positive tho. Talk in here of delivering 3 million 2nd jabs a week yet still maintaining 1st jab roll out. Must be a logistical nightmare.
Agreed about the relative importance.They're having a Funny turn at the Daily Mail
Strange that this smaller transgression makes such as splash when there far bigger multiple cases of Government corruption currently exist
Amazing that a Headline about expensive decor is used to gaslight them, are we supposed to see this as investigative journalism?
£200,000 seems a lot of money to spend on a four bedroom flat, especially one that is only being occupied temporarily.
If Johnson stopped being PM - for any reason - but had not paid this off, I can't see many of the richer element being that keen to support him.
And it is much less than:
Downing Street has spent more than £2.6 million on refurbishments to hold White House-style press briefings, it has emerged.
The cost of the renovations for the televised question and answer sessions with journalists was revealed as Boris Johnson faces pressure over the funding of a separate revamp to his official residence.
Labour questioned the PM’s priorities for shelling out millions on “vanity projects” while “picking the pockets” of NHS workers, amid growing anger at the government’s proposed pay rise for health staff of just 1%.
An extensive overhaul in No. 9 Downing Street began last year as the government announced the plans to hold the televised briefings, with their launch long delayed due to the coronavirus pandemic.
In response to a freedom of information (FoI) request submitted by the PA news agency, the Cabinet Office on Friday issued a breakdown of the costs totalling £2,607,767.67, largely excluding VAT.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/downing-street-2-million-renovations-white-house-press-briefings_uk_60434beac5b69078ac6b472d
Totally agreed. Never said anything different. Sage advise but ministers ultimately make the decision.
Your point reinforces my opinion. Those involved have the political expediency (your political intelligence) to know full well a failed roll out outweighs quite easily any early benefits.
Crux of matter revolves around what constitutes a failed roll out. You see that is not an option. I don't, I, m pessimistic by nature and do think a failed vaccine roll out even now is possible.
My grandkids go back to school next week. What if that causes a wave we can't deal with? Hospitality is due to come back starting 12th April. What if infections, deaths and hospitalisation spiral as previously.
We all know T and T seems to have little effect. The only difference we have this year is vaccine roll out. If we get back to normal it will not be because T and T suddenly works, or because millions have been invested in NHS /PHE (Well its replacement). It will simply be down to vaccine.
If this carries on as now, roll out works, vaccines get us back to "normal" the government will be seen as successful and in power for next 10 years.
If we don't get back to an acceptable level of normality, vaccine and govt will be seen as failing, probably with dire consequences for latter.
We are all wanting, needing a successful vaccine roll out. The government as much as rest of us.
As I keep saying, so far so good.
We are up 2 nil (against Covid not other countries) but its not even half time yet. Govt can't afford own goals like ruining vaccine roll out.
Your definition of political is even political... I can accept that it wasn't the worst call made, but it wasn't on based on Science. ..but on expediency
Sage endorsed decision (by a fine margin,its explained in one of my earlier links)
It was not political expediency. It was medical. (again all explained in detail in links)
Political expediency would have been to go slow and certain without an election in next 3 months.
As I keep saying a failed roll out would destroy Tory opinion. A fast roll out is simply short term popularity... If it fails. That is not political expediency. Its political suicide. Johnson/Tories are way to astute politically for that.
Johnson doesn't need popularity at moment. He needs it come next election. When all this is just a memory. Hopefully.
I think point I, m making is that political and medical expediency are one of same in this case. Johnson can't pretend people are are allowed out of house when they aren't. They can ration the truth with PPE, they can't say football grounds are open when they need to be shut.
We have got so far away from normality an assessment of its (partial?) return is going to be easy.
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.look back at the dates of these.Peston: Why government’s decision to delay second vaccine dose is important | ITV News
Robert Peston explains why the government's decision to delay the second dose to three months is an important move in the fight against Covid-19. | ITV National News
It wasn't a political decision Jesus, you are right. Even Peston, normally a devout critic of Johnson can see that.
Even Guardian quoted medical experts saying same as Sage.Vaccine experts defend UK decision to delay second Pfizer Covid jab
Medics told they risk undermining public confidence by querying policy of three-month gap between doses
And that bastion of Tory cronyism WHO has vindicated decision, so far.UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy
But David Nabarro says vaccine doses should be shared with poorer countries once over-50s have been inoculated.
And below is quote from representative of WHO (Nabaro?) on TV last weekend.
View attachment 41126
But no doubt we, ll have a better informed expert on here.
But our expert could be right. Nabaro should probably have said.
"Thank you Mr Johnson".
I don't think so.
The points and opinions are still appropriate. I had thought Naboro was last weekend , apologies, genuine mistake, it was a few of weeks ago but data is more positive than then.
Still no problem, as I posed there will not be and cannot be a failed roll out caused by the government. If any of the above occur, the government will say it's for one or more of the following reasons:
New variants.
Vaccine refusnicks.
Failure of the public to stick to level 4 lockdown, no shortage of evidence for that.
The vaccines proving to have a limited period of effectiveness like the 'flu vaccine, as well as not being able to cope with all the new variants.
Weather. Winter/Summer, Too hot, too cold, too humid, too something or other. Remember leaves on the rails stopping trains when we were informed there are wrong kinds of leaves!
And they'll support the excuses by quoting the other countries similarly suffering.
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