Correct. I am not in a position to get either the AZ..being older than the evidence based cohort for which it is approved, and which is starting today and below the threshold for the mRNA vaccines, which are going into general population over 85s next Monday, but well I am prepared to wait, knowing that all the care home inmates have already had their first dose, and my relatives working in hospitals are already sorted.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It’s not “ineffective”. Based on a very small sample, the AZ vaccine is showing signs of not stopping mild Covid symptoms developing when a person becomes infected with the SA variant. That means it is likely to stop moderate and severe symptoms developing. That’s not “ineffective”. If it did nothing, that would be ineffective.
Where's the proof? you simply cannot assume such a small group of young people still managing to catch covid-19 from which there at no great risk to them catching a severe case anyway actually proves anything except that it didn't work
You might as well claim it will reduce spots warts and pimples on the balls of a bronchial ferret
You are wasting your time Jesus. Nest of anti vaxxers in here... Anti vaxers who have the vaccine though???
Say on one hand it's not this, not that, doesn't this, won't that but then where is mine. Very odd. Think they don't like accepting on this issue UK have beaten EU hands down. Blowing OG's mind thinking that Boris and Hancock have beaten EU at something... Keeps hitting his head from side saying "can't compute, can't compute" Then spews out irrational meaningless rants....
He is struggling rearranging his prejudices for it to make sense.
Even Merkel is saying EU vaccine has gone wrong... But not on here.. Its all part of plan.. Delay vaccine until it gives immunity.
I can’t understand what you are saying. It sounds like a load of boll-ocksWhere's the proof? you simply cannot assume such a small group of young people still managing to catch covid-19 from which there at no great risk to them catching a severe case anyway actually proves anything except that it didn't work
You might as well claim it will reduce spots warts and pimples on the balls of a bronchial ferret
Get used to it today Jesus. Lots of it about. OG is spouting,he,s spurred on by flecc and Danidl.. They have offered their fair share.
So why pray tell us are you having the second dose. It won't cure hypocriticism, highlights it mind.Where's the proof? you simply cannot assume such a small group of young people still managing to catch covid-19 from which there at no great risk to them catching a severe case anyway actually proves anything except that it didn't work
You might as well claim it will reduce spots warts and pimples on the balls of a bronchial ferret
Done it again haven't you ?who are the Anti vaxxers ?none of us,we just want the job done properly why do you fail to understand that ?
And persist in being antagonistic?
No matter what evidence is presented you simply refuse to face reality
Perhaps what's really happening is you've got to the stage of refusing to accept anything new you into your head, try chucking out some of the old rubbish to make room
That is not what was said, thats the edited UK version, propaganda intended to deceive. This is the truth:
"A study carried out by Oxford and Astra Zeneca together with the University of Witwatersrand in South Africa shows that it does not protect people infected with the variant against mild to moderate Covid"
To assume from this that it protects against severe disease is completely irrational.
I refer you to the above. If if doesn't protect against mild or moderate and and it's certainly irrational to assume it protects against severe, in the absence of evidence of protection it is currently safer to assume it is ineffective until proven otherwise.
With time that may change, but meanwhile assuming effectiveness is a gamble.
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The word you should have used was hypocrisy I have grown weary of the number of times you have misused it
Give me a good reason why I shouldn't have the second injection, does being critical have a government misusing the vaccination regime in some way disqualify me me? or is it that youre your opinion actually matters a damn.
It doesnt
Still sounds like bollo-cks to me. Don’t understand a word of it.
Jolly good two are more fun than one, which of you is in the front of the pantomime horse today?
Flecc, it says does not protect against mild to moderate... Meaning it protects against severe. Same bloke was on Vine this morning. He said exactly same thing. Vine asked question.. "yes, it protects against severe"
It says that in what you, ve posted.
Well you, ve proved your opinion means even less. I don't understand your point at all. You argue vaccine doesn't work, doesn't protect against severe disease, roll out is all wrong, you should have had second jab, blah blah fecking blah but still insist you want jab. I, m not questioning your right to jab at all, all I, m saying is why the feck do you want it if its not going to work... And the reason is you actually think it does work and you even think first jab offered some protection against severe disease... If you really thought differently why go out the house to get it?The word you should have used was hypocrisy I have grown weary of the number of times you have misused it
Give me a good reason why I shouldn't have the second injection, does being critical have a government misusing the vaccination regime in some way disqualify me me? or is it that youre your opinion actually matters a damn.
It doesnt
It's you making the stupid argument.
Jab is crap, doesn't protect from serious disease, roll out is flawed but when can I have mine. Its a senseless stance. Utterly ridiculous. As Jesus says. Its bo11ox.
And BTW OG.. As yet you haven't had covid. How do you know that's not because of jab you, ve had. Since you, ve had jab over 25k per day have been infected, and that's the ones we, ve found. You should be thankful none of those are you. Oh, no not you. Just carry on accepting everything going but grumble at it at every step. FFS OG just be thankful you aren't one having had it and then ask yourself why you haven't.
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Well you get the most boring poster of the Year award again it's always the same old thing nothing original at all nothing pertinent to what's being debated, as usual your refuse to understand what people are saying and put your own slant on everything
There really is no point in you having it then.? As for boring posters? How many "War and Peace" books have you written in here now.. You, ve written way more words than Tolstoy ever did. And way more boring, which takes some doing. Hypocrite.Twice.
Covid: Oxford jab offers less S Africa variant protection
Developers say they are likely to have a modified version of the jab by autumn to combat the variant.
www.bbc.com
But she, s another government lackey so she, s lying. Besides WTF does she know. OG and Flecc know way more than she does.
Less protection means what it says.
Why are you doing this OG. I really don't get it. Your obsession with Brexit was almost understandable but this is quite bizar.
No, no, no, it does not mean that at all. If it's not strong enough to protect against mild or moderate, it's not going to have anything like strong enough protection against a severe infection of the SA variant.
I have not said that it would, nor did the source announcement. From that:
"scientists cannot yet be certain the protection remains against serious disease, but they think it’s likely."
"They think it's likely" isn't evidence and it's an irrational thought anyway, more akin to a hope. I want facts, not wishful thinking. The other makers like Pfizer give facts and have peer reviews, so why not AZ?
I know why, they are bluffing with propaganda since they know their vaccine falls short in some respects so cannot produce evidence of enough effectiveness.
It is of use against the original infection, especially after a second dose at 21 days later, but we are not getting that at 21 days and it's of no known use against some of the new variants. Of their own admission it need more development to be adequate, so they are going ahead with that. I hope they succeed.
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