Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Zlatan, very few people in the UK have been immunised , and even less in the EU. That is the fact. These are 2 sequenced jabs not single jabs. Would you ay you had been fed when you went to a banquet and had just got the soup course.?

If it stopped me starving to death, yes that would be fine. Not ideal but adequate. A meal is as good as a feast, especially so when struggling.
I, m not suggesting anyone has actually been immunised, that at moment isn't the goal. It's to prevent serious illness/death. Hopefully immunisation will come as vaccines improve.

 

[Zlatan]

Zlatan, that is close to insane. Read the article. What she really said is ... I am a resident here in Belgium, I will be informed by the Belgian health authorities of when 62 year olds get vaccinated,and I am not jumping the que.. I would expect others to do the same.

??? Don't get your point Danidl. She was asked and said she didn't know... Rather strange for a person in charge of vaccine roll out in EU?? Last time I looked Belgium was in EU?? She is passing the book. Had it been Boris doing same there would be mayem.
Dual standards me thinks. The EU has been appalling by any measure for its vaccine roll out. Even Merkel has said so, yet little criticism of their approach on here.

 

[oyster]

If it stopped me starving to death, yes that would be fine. Not ideal but adequate. A meal is as good as a feast, especially so when struggling.

The traditional version is “enough is as good as a feast” - is one jab enough? Or is it like smelling the food but the doors are locked?

 

[oldgroaner]

Not me making decision OG, and no nobody can guarantee anything. Folk still die even after 2nd jab... But thanks, your second jab probably saved my daughter from being severely ill. Which sums up precisely situation we are in. You getting your second jab on time would have meant others in vulnerable or demanding situations go about their business with zero protection.
As for anti EU sentiment, no I was not at all. They have managed that on their own.
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[oldgroaner]

??? Don't get your point Danidl. She was asked and said she didn't know... Rather strange for a person in charge of vaccine roll out in EU?? Last time I looked Belgium was in EU?? She is passing the book. Had it been Boris doing same there would be mayem.
Dual standards me thinks. The EU has been appalling by any measure for its vaccine roll out. Even Merkel has said so, yet little criticism of their approach on here.

Actually I don't recall having mentioned their approach even though you think I have ,and it really doesn't matter what the EU does thanks to you we are no longer members so what they do do is entirely their affair, our approach is what bothers me and it's being done out of expediency and great deal of bragging and boasting long before it is safe to make confident assumptions

 

[flecc]

??? Don't get your point Danidl. She was asked and said she didn't know... Rather strange for a person in charge of vaccine roll out in EU?? Last time I looked Belgium was in EU?? She is passing the book. Had it been Boris doing same there would be mayem.
Dual standards me thinks. The EU has been appalling by any measure for its vaccine roll out. Even Merkel has said so, yet little criticism of their approach on here.

That really is nonsense Zlatan, of course she doesn't know and is being honest in saying so.

If she knew when due to her position she would be receiving a favour over the rest of the population awaiting their notification.

Favours for the elite is the British way, like Boris's father getting his jabs early, both of them, and Dominic Cummings touring Britain during lockdown.
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[oldgroaner]

Here is an example of touching Faith
Because the vaccine fails to protect the Young from a mild attack of a disease but they normally survive anyway
By employing industrial-grade optimism these so-called boffins conclude that despite this failure it will protect the elderly from becoming seriously ill.
This isn't following the science it's heading an entirely the opposite direction into a belief in magic

 

[oldgroaner]

Zlatan, that is close to insane. Read the article. What she really said is ... I am a resident here in Belgium, I will be informed by the Belgian health authorities of when 62 year olds get vaccinated,and I am not jumping the que.. I would expect others to do the same.

Don't encourage him when really trying he can get a lot of closer to insane than that

 

[Zlatan]

Think there is an alternative reality going on in here..
We, ve got one person arguing the head of EU vaccine roll out not knowing when a 62 year old (at risk) person will get vaccine is perfectly acceptable..
We, ve got various folk arguing vaccine doesn't work but still want their second jab. We, ve got one person moaning at not getting his second jab but praises EU for their strategy.. And generally many not understanding the term immune. The jab was never going to give even after 2 jabs total immunity. The idea is the jab relieves pressure on NHS and not confer immunity on population... And it's exactly why the delay could be justified. To get as many as possible with more resistance to severe disease. Resistance to severe disease is not immunity.
The vaccines we have are effective at protecting against severe disease, even for the SA variant. Fact.
If all those of you decrying vaccine and UK's handling of it... Easy. Don't have it. Which is what it seems many are arguing for.???
The vaccine was never going to solve everything, it was always going to be one part of a many faceted strategy to cope with Covid for many years to come. Cope being the operative word. Decrying vaccine because it does not give immunity is being very naive. It won't, it can't but not being able to do so does not make it a failure.
Said it many times now, daughter is a perfect example of vaccine strategy working. She has had covid, as has her husband. Neither have had more than a moderate cold(no fever in either case) and neither of kids have been infected. To my mind that's a success. Thanks to PHE, NHS, Vaccine suppliers and Government for rolling it out quick and for strategy that allowed daughter and husband be vaccinated.
Its high time we all started looking at our moderate successes rather than using the whole episode as a political bat to hit tories with.
And Flecc, OG, Danidl don't come back and call me insane because you are all so prejudiced. You aren't thinking about things you are all simply attempting to rearrange your own prejudices against UK and or our Uk government.

 

[flecc]

Think there is an alternative reality going on in here..

You just need to find the nearest mirror to locate it.
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[Zlatan]

You just need to find the nearest mirror to locate it.
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Behind it with Alice and OG?

 

[oldgroaner]

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Think there is an alternative reality going on in here..
We, ve got one person arguing the head of EU vaccine roll out not knowing when a 62 year old (at risk) person will get vaccine is perfectly acceptable..
We, ve got various folk arguing vaccine doesn't work but still want their second jab. We, ve got one person moaning at not getting his second jab but praises EU for their strategy.. And generally many not understanding the term immune. The jab was never going to give even after 2 jabs total immunity. The idea is the jab relieves pressure on NHS and not confer immunity on population... And it's exactly why the delay could be justified. To get as many as possible with more resistance to severe disease. Resistance to severe disease is not immunity.
The vaccines we have are effective at protecting against severe disease, even for the SA variant. Fact.
If all those of you decrying vaccine and UK's handling of it... Easy. Don't have it. Which is what it seems many are arguing for.???
The vaccine was never going to solve everything, it was always going to be one part of a many faceted strategy to cope with Covid for many years to come. Cope being the operative word. Decrying vaccine because it does not give immunity is being very naive. It won't, it can't but not being able to do so does not make it a failure.
Said it many times now, daughter is a perfect example of vaccine strategy working. She has had covid, as has her husband. Neither have had more than a moderate cold(no fever in either case) and neither of kids have been infected. To my mind that's a success. Thanks to PHE, NHS, Vaccine suppliers and Government for rolling it out quick and for strategy that allowed daughter and husband be vaccinated.
Its high time we all started looking at our moderate successes rather than using the whole episode as a political bat to hit tories with.
And Flecc, OG, Danidl don't come back and call me insane because you are all so prejudiced. You aren't thinking about things you are all simply attempting to rearrange your own prejudices against UK and or our Uk government.

I did warn everybody not to encourage him now look what's happened the man whose every post is prejudiced accuses others of his own faults

 

[flecc]

And it's exactly why the delay could be justified.

You mean like the EU delay?

The vaccines we have are effective at protecting against severe disease, even for the SA variant. Fact.

Not fact and not true:

"The study involved more than 2,000 people with an average age of 31, which means they were relatively young and at lower risk. So scientists cannot yet be certain the protection remains against serious disease, but they think it’s likely."

"the researchers believe it will still prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death."

They think, believe, not a proof or test result or peer review in sight. If it's so good, why not?

You aren't thinking about things you are all simply attempting to rearrange your own prejudices against UK and or our Uk government.

That's you Zlatan, your phobic prejudice against the EU has long prevented you from realising just how much you are out of touch with reality.
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[oldgroaner]

Latest bad news for the Tory fanboys
South Africa halts the rollout of the Oxford AstraZeneca job Portugal isn't doing the A-Z for over 65s Germany France Austria and Norway for only under 65, Poland to under 60s Spain and Italy to under 55s

That's regarded as a success is it?
Not among those of of us that use their brain to think with

 

[Danidl]

??? Don't get your point Danidl. She was asked and said she didn't know... Rather strange for a person in charge of vaccine roll out in EU?? Last time I looked Belgium was in EU?? She is passing the book. Had it been Boris doing same there would be mayem.
Dual standards me thinks. The EU has been appalling by any measure for its vaccine roll out. Even Merkel has said so, yet little criticism of their approach on here.

Don't you get the point?. She is the CEO of EU Inc. a fully owned subsidiary of 27 countries which are sovereign. Her board of directors are the PMs of 27 countries ,and her Department Managers are appointed by these same PMs , and these vetted by a works committee , called the European Parliament ,elected by us the plebs .
Now The Mayor of London is responsible for TfL, but I am sure he is unaware why the Clacton omnibus was five minutes early, or failed to stop at some bus stop.
She is not responsible for vaccine rollout in Belgium...or Ireland , in our case it is the HSE working with a Vaccine task force ,chaired by an ex colleague of mine.,who allocated the priorities.
You do need to be looking at more than German Tabloids ..they have a red top press there also.

 

[flecc]

Latest bad news for the Tory fanboys
South Africa halts the rollout of the Oxford AstraZeneca job Portugal isn't doing the A-Z for over 65s Germany France Austria and Norway for only under 65, Poland to under 60s Spain and Italy to under 55s

That's regarded as a success is it?
Not among those of of us that use their brain to think with

They are being cautious, Britain decided to gamble it would be ok.

That may have been justified when the decision was taken, but now we know the AZ is ineffective against the South African variant that's already here, we should stop using it on the rest of the older groups and have them wait for the Pfizer and any other which is more effective. Nearly all of the older groups have to wait for the Pfizer anyway for their second jabs.
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[Zlatan]

Guess you lot won't be bothering with second jab then. No point is there..
Bet you all do tho. Oh, hang on a minute Danidl can't. Apologies. You put your faith in EU, you, ll be waiting a (long) while yet..

 

[flecc]

Guess you lot won't be bothering with second jab then. No point is there..
Bet you all do tho.

Yet again you are being irrational, the second jab improves some aspects of the AZ performance.

We've made it clear we are unhappy with the now proven limited effectiveness of the AZ first jab as well as the other uncertainties with age. Hopefully their researchers will stop their media hogging propaganda long enough to do some more work on both testing and improvement to give us more confidence in a second jab than we now have in the first one we've received.
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[Woosh]

The vaccines we have are effective at protecting against severe disease, even for the SA variant. Fact.

Not yet.
We will only know that in a few months when the SA variant spreads enough to kill a few hundred people.

 

[Woosh]

Guess you lot won't be bothering with second jab then. No point is there..
Bet you all do tho. Oh, hang on a minute Danidl can't. Apologies. You put your faith in EU, you, ll be waiting a (long) while yet..

So far, the EU use mainly Pfizer.
They may be slower than Bojo but may end up doing a better job.
Until now, they managed a lower death toll.