The Guardian now have the Israeli/Pfizer story.
Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we thought' | Israel | The Guardian
Single Covid vaccine dose in Israel 'less effective than we thought' | Israel | The Guardian
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Seems only sensible course of action is to carry on behaving as if you, ve had no vaccination, whether you, ve had one or two.
that's not the case at the moment though. Our government decides who gets called and where the vaccines go. If 7000 people turn up where 10,000 doses were prepared, whose fault is that?
Not if they don't have transport, couldn't arrange transport, were let down by transport. Which are all too likely in the very oldest groups.
the 3000 was given in your example, you said:
A more sensible approach is to prioritise the available doses to doctors surgeries instead of big companies cashing in the £12.58 per jab fees.
No idea. How do you get folk to be sensible? If we could answer that we, d be wealthy..
Don't think surgeries could possibly vaccinate all population in time available..
of course not. Hospitals are good for the Pfizer vaccines, doctors surgeries and pharmacies are good for the over 80, contractors can be hired to go to the care homes and to visit those who can't get out of their homes. After that top tier, we can have the self booking system like we do with covid tests.
Its kinda cold at this time of year, but a 100 mile dog sledge will cool his ardour. The people are hardy enough , its those dogs I would be sorry for.That would be really awful for the people of Nome, I quite enjoy watching the Gold Divers series on the Discovery channel, I wouldn't want Trump sticking his nose into the Gold mining business
Beautiful end to the Lindell MyPillow saga in the land of the free. I wonder if VFR has anymore to add before the orange Kraken monster dives back to the depths from whence it came.
I wonder if Trump will try and nuke China before America swears in its first dying man as president?
albeit I expected that, I was surprised to read that those who had received their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine had a six- to 12-fold increase in antibodies
That will put some old people at risk if they believe they can receive visits after being vaccinated. One out of 4 covid deaths are still in care homes.
I am quoting from the REG 174 information for UK residents leaflet provided by Pfizer at the time of my first jab
"You will receive 2 injections given 21 days apart
If you receive one dose of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT 162b2, you should receive a second dose of the same vaccine 21 days later to complete the vaccination series.
Protection against COVID-19 disease may not be effective until at least 7 days after the second dose."
And the government sees fit to deviate from that?
Because of what exactly?
For now, it’s unclear how protected vaccinated people are after a single shot and for how long. Trial participants who received Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine had low levels of neutralizing antibodies 21 days after the first dose, researchers reported in the Dec. 17 New England Journal of Medicine. But clinical trial results from both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines suggest that protection begins around two weeks after the first dose — Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine had an efficacy of around 50 percent after the first dose and Moderna’s had around 80 percent efficacy (SN: 12/18/20). It’s unknown how durable that protection might be,
Delaying the second shot is a gamble, says Ramón Lorenzo-Redondo, a virologist at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago, particularly without a lot of evidence suggesting how well one dose works. Officials “shouldn’t gamble [their] best tools” to fight the pandemic, he says. “We don’t want to fuel [potential viral evolution] by doing suboptimal immunization of the population.”
www.sciencenews.org
Delaying the second shot is a gamble, says Ramón Lorenzo-Redondo, a virologist at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago, particularly without a lot of evidence suggesting how well one dose works. Officials “shouldn’t gamble [their] best tools” to fight the pandemic, he says. “We don’t want to fuel [potential viral evolution] by doing suboptimal immunization of the population.”
Could delaying a second vaccine dose lead to new coronavirus strains? | Science News
Some experts worry extending the time between vaccine doses could help the virus evolve in potentially harmful ways, but viral evolution is complex.
www.sciencenews.org
And of course this won't help their little gamble will it?
COVID-19: Study shows one vaccine dose leaves UK's over-60s 'seriously vulnerable' The evidence that the second dose can be delayed for three months looks shaky - not even the manufacturers recommend it.
They explicitly recommend 21 days in their official leaflet, but hey ho the Government has waived liability on their part.
And some say "You should be grateful, or not have it on principle"
Because you protest at what is obviously a very risky thing that they are doing
And of course in the meantime the virus has a habit of evolving while we shoot it with .22 ammunition when we should be using .303
COVID-19: Study shows one vaccine dose leaves UK's over-60s 'seriously vulnerable' The evidence that the second dose can be delayed for three months looks shaky - not even the manufacturers recommend it.
They explicitly recommend 21 days in their official leaflet, but hey ho the Government has waived liability on their part.
And some say "You should be grateful, or not have it on principle"
Because you protest at what is obviously a very risky thing that they are doing
And of course in the meantime the virus has a habit of evolving while we shoot it with .22 ammunition when we should be using .303