Brexit, for once some facts.

[RossG]

China has hardly any Covid but have vaccinated their key workers since July.
The vaccine in use is yet to be approved.
In a way, our capitalism is not as good as one party socialism on this particular threat.

I do wonder though what these what must be regarded as " experimental " treatments are doing to their recipients.
It's generally regarded as taking at least 14 months to produce something that can be safely tested on humans, then perhaps several years to study and observe long term effects.

 

[oldgroaner]

Many left wingers are saying that they don't like Trump, but they're going to vote for him as the best of the two. It's a case of how much you lose when each wins. 50c and Ice Cube are multi-millionaires. They don't like the idea of taxes going up to 62% under Biden, neither do the black guys like the way the BLM movement has been taken over by white communists:

Rapper 50 Cent Says to Vote For Trump After Finding Out About Biden's Tax Plan

Did you know the tax rate would be this high under the Biden plan?

bongino.com

Is there a regular service to the planet where Vfr400 lives?

 

[Woosh]

I do wonder though what these what must be regarded as " experimental " treatments are doing to their recipients.
It's generally regarded as taking at least 14 months to produce something that can be safely tested on humans, then perhaps several years to study and observe long term effects.

true, but that does not mean that any particular vaccine won't work.
Sinovac make several Covid vaccines, following different routes, hoping one of them would hit the jackpot.
I think the one they are selling to the public at the moment uses the old traditional method of inactivating the virus with chemicals so it can't kill you.
Whether it gives good, effective protection is to be proven. They tested it on monkeys and it did work.
Our vaccine (from the Oxford group) works by making Covid spike protein which stimulates our immune system. A little more dangerous compared to inactivated Covid virus but it should work.

 

[Wicky]

that's OK if we know for certain that the vaccine is highly effective.
If, like the flu vaccine I get every year (tomorrow lunch time as matter of fact), the vaccine is about 75% effective or even less, then the doses are better used on would be spreaders and super-spreaders.
Another reason for first use on younger people is we don't know how risky it is on older recipients as the pre-approval tests are done on 18-30 year olds.

But the age range you say being tested on (18-30 year olds) is around the age range that are testing positive / spreading in the community.

During the first few weeks of September, local officials noticed that an increasing number of women aged 20 to 39 were testing positive for the virus; they theorised that this could be because of the large number of people they encountered as a result of caring responsibilities.

Hence why healthcare staff are recommended flu vaccination (with about 2/3rd take up) due to increased risk of contracting the influenza virus, and infecting others including patients, colleagues, and their own family and friends.

I'd say teachers / school staff should get covid-19 vaccination before under 16s

Coronavirus: Teachers spread virus more than their pupils

Teachers have been warned that they are spreading Covid-19 after a leading government scientist said they were far more likely to transmit the virus than children.New research from Public Health England revealed that two thirds of outbreaks arose from staff-to-staff transmission, or staff-to-pupil.

www.thetimes.co.uk

New research from Public Health England revealed that two thirds of outbreaks arose from staff-to-staff transmission, or staff-to-pupil.

 

[oyster]

I do wonder though what these what must be regarded as " experimental " treatments are doing to their recipients.

I wonder what Covid-19 is doing to its recipients.

Anything that approaches herd immunity, whether intentional or due to appalling policy mistakes, is a massive experiment. At least with vaccines, even of it takes a long time to appreciate the issues they might have caused, we can stop using them. (At least, a specific, identified problem vaccine.) You have no such option in a situation such as ours.

 

[vfr400]

Ouch!!! This is a bit awkward:

https://www.facebook.com/wxyzdetroit/posts/10157530043341135

Full analysis here if you can't be bothered to read it:

 

[vfr400]

"Rudy seems to have learned his lesson, is tightening protocols, checking ID's, and is now being taken in by someone claiming to be Ivanka Trump but who is in fact the vice president of the College Democrats of Indiana"

Not you as well. Nick Rogers, the prankster who pretended to be Ivanka Ivanka owned up. Everybody had a good laugh at all the stupid people that had a wet dream over that one. Oytser and Polly, shame on you.

Rudy Giuliani 'Texts' to College Student Are Fake, Dupe Maddow

Supposed text messages posted by college student Nick Roberts onto Twitter allegedly sent to President Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani are not real.

www.mediaite.com

 

[mike killay]

Is there a regular service to the planet where Vfr400 lives?

That is a bit insulting about a member who has contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to the forum.
All that you seem to have done since the Brexit vote is to rant on interminably.

 

[vfr400]

Is there a regular service to the planet where Vfr400 lives?

Yes, when you got to the space station on your planet, ask for a ticket to "The Real World". See you here shortly. I hope you have a pleasant journey, but I fear it's not going to be very pleasant for you. A few strong drinks before you set off might help.

 

[Danidl]

Is there a regular service to the planet where Vfr400 lives?

..I think it is beyond the 5km radius, under current restrictions, unless going there to supply medicine is viewed as an essential service

 

[vfr400]

This is quite interesting about masks. It makes the case that masks increase the rate of covid infections. The only proper test results on their effectiveness has not been published because the can't find a journal brave enough to publish the report!

 

[Woosh]

But the age range you say being tested on (18-30 year olds) is around the age range that are testing positive / spreading in the community.

that's why I said it would be better to give to those who are likely spreaders the vaccine first, that way we reduce the overall risk by suppressing the spreaders.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

That is a bit insulting about a member who has contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to the forum.
All that you seem to have done since the Brexit vote is to rant on interminably.

I can imagine this may be challenging for you to grasp, but were still in a pre brexit stage with free speech as part of democracy.

 

[RossG]

Not you as well. Nick Rogers, the prankster who pretended to be Ivanka Ivanka owned up. Everybody had a good laugh at all the stupid people that had a wet dream over that one. Oytser and Polly, shame on you.

Rudy Giuliani 'Texts' to College Student Are Fake, Dupe Maddow

Supposed text messages posted by college student Nick Roberts onto Twitter allegedly sent to President Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani are not real.

www.mediaite.com

Shame on Giuliani more like....what a sucker, well done Borat a President in the making great stuff

 

[RossG]

Make your own mind up...

 

[Wicky]

This is quite interesting about masks. It makes the case that masks increase the rate of covid infections. The only proper test results on their effectiveness has not been published because the can't find a journal brave enough to publish the report!

Mmmmm Wonderful - a Tommy Robinson / UKIP supporting bloke in his vest - where did you find this vertiable Renaissance man....

 

[vfr400]

That is a bit insulting about a member who has contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to the forum.
All that you seem to have done since the Brexit vote is to rant on interminably.

It's alright Mike, he's quite harmless. The poor guy is suffering from both BDS and TDS. The pills they gave him to control it are just not strong enough for both, so we just humour him in this forum. He's a bit like a pet cat that brings you presents, like dead birds and mice. Every day he goes out hunting and brings back his exciting finds. We smile, pat him on his head, give him a reward and send him off to see what else he can find. His favourite hunting area is The Guardian, but now that winter is setting in, hunting is not so good and he's finding it hard to bring back anything worthwhile.

 

[vfr400]

Make your own mind up...

Don't you think they would have shown the video evidence if it were true rather than just a single snapshot? Just 2 secs either way would show the truth one way or another. They said that they were recording it. Why would G lie if he knew he had been filmed and the film would expose any lies? Hello thickos!!

 

[vfr400]

Mmmmm Wonderful - a Tommy Robinson / UKIP supporting bloke in his vest - where did you find this vertiable Renaissance man....

Where did that come from? What's that got to do with masks? Are you deranged or something? Do you disagree with any of the data he shows?

 

[vfr400]

but were still in a pre brexit stage with free speech as part of democracy.

Still lamenting the good old days, eh? Unfortunately time only goes in one direction.