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It’s quite funny that Corbyn’s brother has been slapped with a £10K fine for protesting against measures intended to keep us all healthy.

Both Jeremy and his brother (who is no fool) benefited from quite a privileged education and background. I wonder what happens to people like them and at what age, when they suddenly turn against the general population and work to eradicate the systems and institutions that they have benefited from themselves? Something must have happened to make them both hate ordinary people so much.
Same as happened to Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn, 1st Viscount Stansgate, DSO, DFC, PC , turning him into the socialist Tony Benn.

Revulsion against what Conservatism and the right wing routinely did to ordinary people.

I know we are stuck with BoJo for a while, but think we had a narrow escape from the alternative at the last election.
I disagree, especially since Johnson, having no sensible ideas of his own as usual, followed Corbyn's policies of spending to boost the economy (even before Covid) and nationalising more rail franchises. At least Corbyn would have believed in what he was doing.
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oldgroaner

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It’s quite funny that Corbyn’s brother has been slapped with a £10K fine for protesting against measures intended to keep us all healthy.

Both Jeremy and his brother (who is no fool) benefited from quite a privileged education and background. I wonder what happens to people like them and at what age, when they suddenly turn against the general population and work to eradicate the systems and institutions that they have benefited from themselves? Something must have happened to make them both hate ordinary people so much.

I know we are stuck with BoJo for a while, but think we had a narrow escape from the alternative at the last election.
Still holding on to that delusion eh?
Thousands of the dead would disagree if they were able to.
Remember you voted for the idiot that killed them, and you consider that a narrow escape?
Exactly from what?
 
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The Guardian has this article:

Boris Johnson's in-tray: what are the key issues PM needs to address?
From coronavirus to Brexit, prime minister has several major problems to sort out
My response (it is not open to comments so this is theoretical) would keep it really simple: Should I resign before or after HoC returns?
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Still holding on to that delusion eh?
Thousands of the dead would disagree if they were able to.
Remember you voted for the idiot that killed them, and you consider that a narrow escape?
Exactly from what?
In fairness, Scotland aren’t doing much better under the leadership of the Tiny Scottish Idiot Woman. I think we are blessed with incompetence across the entire political spectrum in this country.
 
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In fairness, Scotland aren’t doing much better under the leadership of the Tiny Scottish Idiot Woman. I think we are blessed with incompetence across the entire political spectrum in this country.
Youre in denial my friend. The conservative government is deliberately criminally incompetent (Hancock's lies, grayling's ferry companies and boris's spending of state funds on lovers is the tip of the berg). Try Ortega's Nicaragua for a more appropriate populist corrupt parallel. If labour wins the next election I will pay significantly more tax. it will hurt, significantly. if I were to channel the conservative part of me that's preoccupied with my financial survival, I would still vote labour. Beyond the virus, brexit and any humanitarian consideration the boris/cummings government has been (and will be) a terminal financial disaster that will ruin the livelihood of the country and cost much more.
 

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the virus mutates roughly every 2 weeks - any herd immunity is going to be pure luck.
Yes, I agree luck is needed. But at least some virus people (them wot know about these things) have suggested that the bits that are changing are not known to be the bits targetted by some/most/all the vaccines being developed. Therefore, they suggest a good chance of the vaccines being effective despite mutations.
 

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Yes, I agree luck is needed. But at least some virus people (them wot know about these things) have suggested that the bits that are changing are not known to be the bits targetted by some/most/all the vaccines being developed. Therefore, they suggest a good chance of the vaccines being effective despite mutations.
Very happy to hear that. I would have assumed that an 80% population having had the real virus or an adequate vaccination is what would be required to give reasonable herd immunity. Remember Herd Immunity is not magic and it assumes that the majority of people who would be exposed are already" antibodied ". But since the vast majority of people currently never had it and only a few do, we are still in a growth phase.
Using the UK figure of 0.3M confirmed cases and a population of 60 M , there is a long way to go before Herd Immunity
 

oldgroaner

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In fairness, Scotland aren’t doing much better under the leadership of the Tiny Scottish Idiot Woman. I think we are blessed with incompetence across the entire political spectrum in this country.
This perhaps is the lucky escape you think you had with Corbyn?


Sorry but I'm laughing at you, and why not?


Come on now, laugh along with me.......:cool:
Oops forgot to point out it was £5 Billion cheaper under Corbyn!
 
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oldgroaner

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This perhaps is the lucky escape you think you had with Corbyn?


Sorry but I'm laughing at you, and why not?


Come on now, laugh along with me.......:cool:
Oops forgot to point out it was
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Applies equally to Boris and the cabinet...
Here's my version
"Success consists of going from failure to failure while increasing personal profit ."
OG. :cool:
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Face masks are in the news again today. The Daily Mail has an article about a professor who coughs onto culture dishes whilst wearing various face masks, ranging from ones made from old shirts through to medical grade masks. The professor then counts the number of cultures in the dish after 48 hours and tell the reader which is the best mask.

The professor has discovered that masks with a valve are the worst performing in terms of spreading the disease. This is because the one way valve allows unfiltered air out into the atmosphere. No $hit, really? This professor has discovered that a one way valve allows air to flow in one direction only. When is this remarkable finding going to be published in a research paper? This very subject was discussed in here months ago and I think it was me who raised it.

I think the mask subject is being considered the wrong way around. It’s looked at as a measure for the wearer to protect other people around them. People clearly don’t give a ****. They either don’t wear them (under 35s) or they wear them as a jaw support to stop their mouth dropping open and insects going in (over 60s).

I have adopted the look after number one approach and **** everyone else. With this in mind, we could do with the professors now telling us which masks are best at stopping virus particles entering our bodies via the mouth or nose. My opinion is a tight fitting semi rigid fibre type mask, preferably with a valve for my own comfort. FFP3 or similar and this is what I’ve been using since March. But I’m not a professor, I’m just Barry Shittpeas.
 

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