Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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Plastic bag over the head and tied tightly round the neck
Whilst that might work, I would advise against trying it. You are likely to experience a dangerously high level of carbon dioxide build up and / or hypoxia due to lack of oxygen. Both of these conditions can be fatal. It's your choice, but I would favour a mask over the plastic bag approach.
 
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Fascinating: in the Telegraph
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Politics latest news: Schools reopen as minister doubles down on truancy fines
Parents will face fines if they don't send their children back today

How long will this decision last?
 

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Whilst that might work, I would advise against trying it. You are likely to experience a dangerously high level of carbon dioxide build up and / or hypoxia due to lack of oxygen. Both of these conditions can be fatal. It's your choice, but I would favour a mask over the plastic bag approach.
A wide necked inverted goldfish bowl over the head is the obvious answer, rehome the fish some where else or you risk drowning.

I have offered this innovation to the Trump administration for approval :rolleyes:
 

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Face masks are in the news again today. The Daily Mail has an article about a professor who coughs onto culture dishes whilst wearing various face masks, ranging from ones made from old shirts through to medical grade masks. The professor then counts the number of cultures in the dish after 48 hours and tell the reader which is the best mask.

The professor has discovered that masks with a valve are the worst performing in terms of spreading the disease. This is because the one way valve allows unfiltered air out into the atmosphere. No $hit, really? This professor has discovered that a one way valve allows air to flow in one direction only. When is this remarkable finding going to be published in a research paper? This very subject was discussed in here months ago and I think it was me who raised it.

I think the mask subject is being considered the wrong way around. It’s looked at as a measure for the wearer to protect other people around them. People clearly don’t give a ****. They either don’t wear them (under 35s) or they wear them as a jaw support to stop their mouth dropping open and insects going in (over 60s).

I have adopted the look after number one approach and **** everyone else. With this in mind, we could do with the professors now telling us which masks are best at stopping virus particles entering our bodies via the mouth or nose. My opinion is a tight fitting semi rigid fibre type mask, preferably with a valve for my own comfort. FFP3 or similar and this is what I’ve been using since March. But I’m not a professor, I’m just Barry Shittpeas.
I adopted the look after number one approach months ago. Just keep your distance. The old advice from WHO remains as valid today as seven months ago. Keep your distance. In the open air , a 2 metre distance is more effective than close proximity with any mask(excluding a mechanical pump driven filter as in HAZMAT). 3 and 4 metre even better. However you are falling into the same fallacy as the Mail. The purpose of the mask in protecting others is not its filtering properties, desirable as they might be, but its ability to reduce expelled air velocity and direct it earthwards. So that type of mask, with the valve directed downwards ..as they are are much better than those acrylic curvilinear face shields.
Think of masks and face coverings as artificial Herd Immunity. They don't prevent, they disencourage infection by reducing the probability
 

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I adopted the look after number one approach months ago. Just keep your distance. The old advice from WHO remains as valid today as seven months ago. Keep your distance. In the open air , a 2 metre distance is more effective than close proximity with any mask(excluding a mechanical pump driven filter as in HAZMAT). 3 and 4 metre even better. However you are falling into the same fallacy as the Mail. The purpose of the mask in protecting others is not its filtering properties, desirable as they might be, but its ability to reduce expelled air velocity and direct it earthwards. So that type of mask, with the valve directed downwards ..as they are are much better than those acrylic curvilinear face shields.
Think of masks and face coverings as artificial Herd Immunity. They don't prevent, they disencourage infection by reducing the probability
The Mail’s article was about how much moisture, bacteria & virus face masks catch before it finds its way from mouth / nose and into the atmosphere. I am more interested in what is most effective at catching airborne virus particles going the other way, for those occasions when close proximity is unavoidable.
This never seems to come up for discussion in the media. Perhaps that is deliberate.
 

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Fascinating: in the Telegraph
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Politics latest news: Schools reopen as minister doubles down on truancy fines
Parents will face fines if they don't send their children back today

How long will this decision last?
I hope they stick to that policy. It will be very unpopular, but it needs to be enforced, especially if parents take children abroad and end up quarantined and consequently out of school.
 

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The Mail’s article was about how much moisture, bacteria & virus face masks catch before it finds its way from mouth / nose and into the atmosphere. I am more interested in what is most effective at catching airborne virus particles going the other way, for those occasions when close proximity is unavoidable.
This never seems to come up for discussion in the media. Perhaps that is deliberate.
Maybe not in newspaper articles, but the ability of masks and face covering has been extensively covered in scientific experiments.
In a nutshell airborne transmission of the CV19 is not a major transfer mechanism. It is significant in hospitals where the mechanical ventilators and assisted ventilation masks effectively nebulise and aerosol the virus..hence the incidence of infection in ICU nurses . In normal traffic
Normally it is expelled by lungs as water droplets loaded with viruses . These will adhere to any filter material from cheap single ply paper or cloth. The best home grade material is a vacuum cleaner bag.. Unfortunately you would need 300watt compressor lungs just to drag the air through.! Again most of these droplets will obey gravity and be earthward bound within the 2 metre zone . Again a caveat... A moving floor ..say an escalator going down will recycle this virus material... Which is why the Tube is a particularly bad idea.

A person wearing a N95 mask absorbs 5% of the load of a person with no mask,so lasts 20 times longer for the same risk. All other face coverings are inferior with the cheap disposable ones at about 50% absorption. Only a powered ventilation system can give better protection than a certified N95 mask.
 

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Which is why the Tube is a particularly bad idea.
It's just been announced that with the return to full time education, London's buses and tube trains have been increased. The Victoria line is back up to a tube train every 100 seconds at busy times.

It will be interesting to see the outcome since London has been doing well overall so far, given its circumstances. Of course if there is a large increase in infections it will be difficult to determine the most important factor, the youngsters while they are back within schools, colleges and universities or the increased degree of tube travel confinement.
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I hope they stick to that policy. It will be very unpopular, but it needs to be enforced, especially if parents take children abroad and end up quarantined and consequently out of school.
Oh I dont know. School taught me very little, and the controlling aspect of it hindered rather than helped me in life. Until one reach post grad I'd say education is highly overrated. In fact everything up to that point seem an often elaborate miguided wasteful excuse for just getting there.
 

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Oh I dont know. School taught me very little, and the controlling aspect of it hindered rather than helped me in life. Until one reach post grad I'd say education is highly overrated. In fact everything up to that point seem an often elaborate miguided wasteful excuse for just getting there.
I always like to say ... I went to school to play and came home to learn ... I learned more at home than anything in a school and look at me now, a total idiot !
 

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Oh I dont know. School taught me very little, and the controlling aspect of it hindered rather than helped me in life. Until one reach post grad I'd say education is highly overrated. In fact everything up to that point seem an often elaborate miguided wasteful excuse for just getting there.
I enjoyed school and university. I got a lot out of both. Fantastic experience not to be squandered. I definitely support the fines and think they should go even further with exclusion from school until paid.
 

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Ed Sheeran’s (he plays the part of the Honey Monster in the Sugar Puffs advert) newly arrived daughter has been named Lyra Antarctica Seaborn Sheeran.

I think this encapsulates beautifully all that is wrong with celebrity. If ever I have another child, I may call it Diesel Lead Chlorofloropolytetraethane Shittpeas as a kind of antidote.
 

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But that is true, I learned more from my first five years working than in my entire formal education
that may be because you did put real work into your first job and not in the years you spent at school and uni!
 

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But that is true, I learned more from my first five years working than in my entire formal education
Do you think though that your formal education enabled you to learn so much in your first five years of work. Perhaps without that education you would not have been able to learn so much.

I tend to see formal education a little bit like fitness training that an athlete might do, but instead of training the muscles and lungs your training the brain to be able to cope with the kind of learning that will need to take place when one enters the world of work.

Formal education in school has to be of a general nature because no one knows what each student is going to go on to do, this is why so many children complain (and I was one of them) and say something like "When am I ever going to need this"?. This being all kinds of things eg. trigonometry, a Shakespeares play, French (Barry had a note from Matron exempting him from this) etc.
 

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Ed Sheeran’s (he plays the part of the Honey Monster in the Sugar Puffs advert) newly arrived daughter has been named Lyra Antarctica Seaborn Sheeran.

I think this encapsulates beautifully all that is wrong with celebrity. If ever I have another child, I may call it Diesel Lead Chlorofloropolytetraethane Shittpeas as a kind of antidote.
After the much-commented Seaborne Freight so beloved of Grayling?
 

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I think it's two or maybe getting on for 3 weeks now since Scotlands schools re-opened. I would not be surprised if that is contributing to the increase in virus infections. This makes me think we might be seeing the same kind of thing late September or early October.
 
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Read this on another forum today, think I have read it before but still made me laugh.

When we were kids we didn't have a stove or central heating. When it was cold we all used to huddle round a candle, and when it was really, really cold we used to light it!
We were so poor we had to eat it :(
 
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