I've got some of those "cyclist" type masks that are very soft and don't mark your face, you can slide fresh carbon filters inside so I'll use them riding in and out of town on busy roads.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I don't know why you keep bringing this up, I've made no claim for herd immunity and I've posted that I don't think it a realistic strategy. But with each increase in the number infected and dying, the infection and death number rates reduce since opportunities reduce. You've even accepted that in a reply.
Of course we are nowhere near 80% infected and almost certainly never will be, but I do believe a very far higher proportion of Londoners have been infected than anywhere else in the country. The fact of early infection and death rates of up to double that of the rest of the country support that and means we are less vulnerable for the the moment through reduced availability of the vulnerable.
Hence the lower "r".
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Announcing the new easements to the lockdown measures today was unnecessary and a roll of the dice with lives. The weather is set to be glorious up to and including Monday, so people are going to adopt them from now onwards. The T&T which is supposed to be a key safeguarding element isn’t up and running. It’s a fuckup and the App, which was supposed to be the key element of the key to safeguarding isn’t even on the horizon. It’s dangerous to lift the measures when the safety net isn’t there, but we know there’s been a rush to announce it this week in order to displace Cummings out of the news. Risking lives to save Cummings’s job? I believe so.
I was listening to the measures with amusement, since it's what we've being doing all the time in London.
Meeting in gardens in pairs! Given all the flats with communal gardens in London we neighbours unavoidably meet in numbers! The same goes for all those whose garden is the park across the road.
Read this post to see how different we are.
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that would be a miracle.
There was that eminent professor Devi Sridhar of Edinburgh University on Channel 4 News tonight. She put the rate of infected population in the UK at between 5% and 7%.
There are some studies showing two out of 3 infections are asymptomatic, that puts the number of infections to 3 times the confirmed cases.
The UK has 269,127 confirmed cases, so the number of infected / immune in the UK to about 1 million, under 2%. That leaves at least 63 million Britons still susceptible to Covid.
That's the number/percentage everyone must pay attention to because it quantifies the exposure risk to Covid.
If the suggestion that there are only 24 new cases for a large city like London were true, one would not risk catching Covid more than getting stabbed because 99.999% of Londoners don't have Covid or not any more.
The risk of catching Covid is reduced but far from gone, it is still proportional to the number of new confirmed cases to around 2,000 a day. Still roughly 60% from the peak in early April.
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Basically I agree. But many people with symptoms aren't being tested so the number of infections will be quite a bit more than 3 times the confirmed cases.
NO, NO, NO. I will never let you get away with your repeated translations of national rates into London's. The 2000 is a national figure which does not necessarily reflect the London daily infection number. There are too many differences between London and the rest of the country to translate in that way by assumption.
Every time you make this sort of assumption, stating it as fact, you demean your scientific credentials, as well as insulting me in believing I'll fall for it.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I've never mentioned or supported the 24 so please take note this time and stop arguing at me about it. It takes two to make an argument.
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Bizarrely, in England you are supposed to be careful when handing out the barbecued food. In Scotland you are encouraged to each (household) bring your own food, crockery, cutlery.
If based on "the science", why such a difference?
And what I am really looking forward to - McD opening everywhere for drive through between Tuesday and Thursday. I sincerely hope that we don't see multi-hour queues as we have no other way to drive out except that road.
Given the outcomes we have seen, this is not much of a surprise:
Government rejected radical lockdown of England's care homes
Exclusive: health officials put forward plan last month to stem soaring coronavirus deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/government-rejected-radical-lockdown-england-care-homes-coronavirus
Government rejected radical lockdown of England's care homes
Exclusive: health officials put forward plan last month to stem soaring coronavirus deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/government-rejected-radical-lockdown-england-care-homes-coronavirus
And now Raab is being prosecuted:
Family of Harry Dunn to bring private prosecution against Dominic Raab
Foreign secretary did not have the authority to allow driver of the car that killed the 19-year-old to return to US, relatives say
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/28/family-of-harry-dunn-to-bring-private-prosecution-against-dominic-raab
Family of Harry Dunn to bring private prosecution against Dominic Raab
Foreign secretary did not have the authority to allow driver of the car that killed the 19-year-old to return to US, relatives say
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/28/family-of-harry-dunn-to-bring-private-prosecution-against-dominic-raab
The ONS haved released their statistics based on antibodies testing.
54,000 are still catching Covid every week.
6% of the population has been infected.
London will probably continue to have a higher than average new infection rate, not less.
I believe in formulae. I can see you don't.
The basic formula is this: the current Re is proportional to the susceptible population.
Does Cummings have Spanish relatives?Spain is doing well after changing its counting method. A 3 day rolling average of minus 11.65 deaths per million per day! Resurrection rules.
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Have travel restrictions eased your way?
I ask as i notice quite a few white plated RoI reg cars here on the A1 lately
flecc..you really should get out more ! People have been doing that all over the UK since day one as I myself posted on here I believe. Communal gardens helped spread a communal disease, nothing different about London only it copped it harder like the in the war. What is different it didn't ask for that, this time it didn't care hence packed tube trains. Selfishness paid great dividends in the Capital, let's hope they learned a lesson for next time...and there will be one.
Back to E Bikes for a moment..
Uber destroys thousands of bikes and scooters
Videos of the red bikes being crushed were shared online after Uber sold its Jump business to Lime.
www.bbc.co.uk
Again irrelevant national figures in a London discussion! You just don't learn.
"Probably"! Yet again an assumption, you just don't learn.
You see nothing of the sort, my argument showing my belief in formulae. My argument is precisely that the current Re is proportional to the susceptible population.
That susceptible London population has been lowered by the very high early rates of infection and deaths reducing it. Ergo the lower "r". You've even posted your admission of that in a reply, so why are you arguing against yourself?
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Distortion again by shooting the messenger. I don't need to re-read it, that was a quote from an article that I reported with a link supplied, not my statement or support. I've never supported it, I have supported that our "r" is recently lower since that is widely supported.
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I am pleased that you do not support that article.
So why should you get angry when I said the article may be fake news?
So why should you get angry when I said the article may be fake news?