I suggest you pass that deep insight for peer review by Soundwave, I'm still struggling with it
The problem is I have this picture of the logic involved in my mind
Brexit, for once some facts.
- Thread starter flecc
- Start date
The problem is I have this picture of the logic involved in my mind
That's England, I was only speaking of London and they don't even begin to compare in this respect.
Elsewhere people commonly live quite close to their work.
In London's central employment it's millionaires who live close to their work.
.
Afraid it is a bit out of date but, in 2011, average London commute was 9.1 miles.
https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/characteristics-of-commuters
We can understand that properly managed statistics take some time to be available. But the presentations have continued to harp on about a limited headline figure of their choosing.
UK coronavirus live: excess deaths reached almost 55,000 in early May, says ONS
Test, test, test they cried. But we didn't and couldn't.
Perhaps the doctor has not felt able, in the absence of a positive test, to put Covid on the death certificate.
UK coronavirus live: excess deaths reached almost 55,000 in early May, says ONS
Test, test, test they cried. But we didn't and couldn't.
Perhaps the doctor has not felt able, in the absence of a positive test, to put Covid on the death certificate.
Last edited:
Indeed we do have lots of villages as I know only too well having been born here and lived here almost all my life. But I'm sure you've at least heard that almost all the inner ones have become gentrified beyond the reach of such low paid workers.
They come in from the four mile start points and beyond that I mentioned, live in terribly overcrowded conditions, and move out at the slightest opportunity. A very big factor in medium distance commuting that I suspect all of those commenting on this have missed is our heavily subsidised fare system. London covers 400 square miles but to travel right across it in a bus costs just £1.50. In fact one can use multiple buses to do it and it still only costs the same £1.50. One can even do return journeys for £1.50, so long as the whole trip falls within one hour!
As I posted, the London average round trip that organisation claimed is impossible. In fact I doubt many commuters even know how far their commute is, so how could that organisation know? To illustrate with my public transport commute from my London home into the centre that I've done on a few rare occasions:
1) Bus from my home to the bus tram interchange.
2) Tram to East Croydon station.
3) Main line train to Victoria station.
3) Underground to Warren Street station.
And that's between my London home and Central London.
I haven't a clue what the mileages of those legs are, I can only know the distance as the crow flies or how long the shortest distance is to drive it (14 miles, 28 miles round trip).
.
The original estimate was 80% susceptible, 1% fatal, that gives a rough estimate of 5.5 millions infected.
To achieve herd immunity, another 400,000 people over 70 still need to be culled.
I don't see why they all have to be over 70. Wouldn't 68 or 69 do?
That wasn't even remotely true then, read my latest post just above.
I don't know where they are getting these crazy figures from, but I suspect that 9.1 miles for the average round trip commute was that of LONDONERS. That might just be true for those living in London, excluding the vast numbers coming in from all the fringe Home Counties and far beyond on numerous trains, endless convoys of cars and even bicycles and powered two wheelers on all the roads in.
.
I’ve heard that they’ve bust through 60K as of today.
Thérèse Coffey has started preparing the ground to blame “the science” during an interview earlier this morning. I suppose it was inevitable.
Just on a call where there was a comment of a doctor knowing a patient had died of CV, but the extra delays for the family and complications for the doctor of CV cause of death would have involved meant a more generic cause was recorded.
Same call; under reporting in Russia, especially Moscow, is a lot more systematic and extreme.
Not really, we just have to be a little patient and they'll all die anyway.
.
Oyster, give it up, that 9.1 miles is still nonsense. As I posted above, how could any organisation know when the commmuters themselves often have no idea how many miles they travel on public transport. They don't measure that way, they use what matters, how many hours and minutes. For example I haven't a clue how many miles there are in part three of my commute, but I know it takes 16 minutes on the fast trains.
Just think of the fares. Someone commuting up to about 15 miles distant only needs to pay as posted £1.50 each way on the bus, under £700 per working year. So why do your think there's the massive protests by commuters into London when the fares go up each year and their circa £5000 season ticket goes up another £1000? Clearly they aren't any part of that claim of 9.1 miles.
You know the saying, lies, damn lies and statistics, and we in London suffer it all the time. For example you could look up London's population and tell me the official figure is about 8.9 millions.
But I know that too is nonsense, the true average figure from GLC research revealing it's a minimum of some 10.2 millions, a huge discrepancy.
.
Last edited:
Look its really only a minor point , the actual travel distance, but a 9.2 radius covers more than half the floor area of London, by your previous comment. I am mindful of Kensington which is within walking distance of Hyde park ..I know because I walked it, and Grenfell Tower was not much further out.
As I predicted some time ago on here.
The problem as always with science is that it often dictates what may happen under a certain set of circumstances which may not apply to you, take face masks as a good example.We were told by scientists they don't really work, so why did they say that when they themselves often use them in labs. The reasoning is if you put a mask on then go outside you'll touch things that could be contaminated, then on arriving home take off the mask and in turn contaminate it. Even if you do wash your hands it's still on the mask which you may then pick up to place out of the way until next time. Also of course if you adjust the mask outdoors your hand might touch your face. Science was absolutely spot on, but what they say can't always be applied to the average bod in the street.
Pensioners make up 12 millions, 28% of our population, to achieve herd immunity, you have to let COVID take about half a million, 4% of the pensioners.
I reckon if we put it to a vote, £500 billion deficit or half a million pensioners, COVID will win.
They are usually employed by UK government and tend to infantilise our population.
They have now found a new word: face covering. We are not too thick to put face covering on but too thick to put a face mask on.
The cracks between "the science" and the government are already starting to appear. This is going to be entertaining.
No Ross, the Science did not say masks don't work, ..that is ladybird level response. The Scientific advice was a lot more nuanced than that. Physical distancing is the best option, it is cost free and very effective. Masks are valuable when distance is not an option. Facecovering is a cheaper less effective option than full masks. The main problem being that it gives a false sense of securityAs I predicted some time ago on here.
We were told by scientists they don't really work, so why did they say that when they themselves often use them in labs. The reasoning is if you put a mask on then go outside you'll touch things that could be contaminated, then on arriving home take off the mask and in turn contaminate it. Even if you do wash your hands it's still on the mask which you may then pick up to place out of the way until next time. Also of course if you adjust the mask outdoors your hand might touch your face. Science was absolutely spot on, but what they say can't always be applied to the average bod in the street.
The Irish advice is basically that.. Face cover if forced into proximity. Eg shops , public transport.
Again figures . A simple cotton fabric double layer ..eg teeshirt reduces immediate transmission by 50% 1/2
A quality non medical mask 70% 1/3
A high quality medical standard properly fitted ..eg tight 95% 1/20
The fraction is the amount that gets through per unit of time.
2 people both wearing fresh simple cotton masks 75% 1/4
2 people both wearing fresh commercial masks 1/9