Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Cancel my previous nominationfor the title of "Tweet of the Day" this one literally blew it out of the water

Sheer Genius this chap should replace Cummings on the Sage panel

Just why are they running their contact app trial on the Isle of Wight?

 

[Nev]

Anglesey so low they don't publish the numbers.

Anglesey haven't got a General Hospital. Their nearest one would be Ysbytu Gwynedd in Bangor, so would their numbers be added onto the Gwynedd county list?

 

[oldgroaner]

This allegedly is one of the Brain the Government relied on

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1262363514104143873

 

[Nev]

Quite a lot more than the 9 miles each way mentioned by Nev,

Not guilty your honour I think it was Wicky who mentioned the 9 miles figure.

 

[RossG]

7 per 100,000 here.

57 per 100,000 in Newport, Gwent.

Anglesey so low they don't publish the numbers.

Powys has gone up a lot - now 17 per 100,000. Mind, as they have no real hospitals, I did wonder if there cases were appearing in other areas - such as Shrewsbury.

Did you look at the second map a bit further down the page, it can go right to where you live.

 

[oldgroaner]

I liked this tweet too

James O'Brien

@mrjamesob
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27m

Is invisibility an unreported symptom of Covid-19? Asking for a Prime Minister.

 

[oyster]

Some concerning figures - timescales and numbers:

London care homes report possible fresh Covid-19 outbreaks

Residents also testing positive more than 30 days after showing first symptoms
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/london-care-homes-report-possible-fresh-covid-19-outbreaks

 

[oldgroaner]

That's simply not true. They did have enough staff and equipment for quite a few cases but just lacked the demand since the usual hospitals coped so well that they had spare capacity and had to appeal for patients with other conditions to return for treatment. It was only after the press kicked off about the ExCel Nightingale not being use that they migrated 15 Covid patients in.

The whole issue is one of overreaction and hysteria, building far too much emergency capacity, rushing other patients out of hospital into care homes, infecting and even killing them to create bed spaces that weren't needed, cancelling operations to leave surgeons and theatre staff free to work as doctors and nurses in Covid areas without the necessary skills.

I repeat, overreaction and hysteria.
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Nope, not buying that for one minute

 

[oyster]

Did you look at the second map a bit further down the page, it can go right to where you live.

Not quite:

To protect confidentiality, a small number of deaths have been reallocated between neighbouring areas.

Numbers are tiny per area so difficult to know if they have done so. I was aware of one here - and thought there might be a few more. Says two.

 

[Nev]

Yet we in London, Heathrow's city, continue to outperform the rest of the country in respect of Covid-19, probably because of such as this, as I've already posted.

To protect the NHS the politicians wanted us to keep the infection rate low by isolating, but that was always impossible in our crowded city of London. Therefore it was a stupid and pointless policy, proving if ever it needed proof that one size never fits all.

So as I've been posting for weeks we broke all their silly rules and did our own thing here in London, ignoring politicians and police to suit our very different circumstances. That's been very effective, since we quickly had the highest infection rate by far and the highest consequences of course.

In other words, we got the first phase of the pandemic over quickly and may not even have a second phase. Those of us who were most likely to get infected got infected, the vulnerable who were likely to die anyway, did die.

So for a while now we are leading the country with very low rates and our NHS never got overwhelmed despite our cavalier attitudes. Indeed our hospitals have had to appeal for patients with other conditions to return for treatment to give them something to do, even A & Es being empty. The NHS struggled to find ANY patients for our 4000 bed Nightingale emergency hospital which has been a horribly expensive and ill advised white elephant.

I honestly wonder if it had been better to have never had any lockdown, carried on going to work and schools as usual, taken what would have been only a slightly bigger hit and saved the economy rather than the NHS.

That would have avoided the very long period of economic suffering we are now facing, which itself will result in a higher sickness and death rate of its own.
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I must admit my thinking is more along the lines of Barry's, I too hope I am wrong and perhaps you are right flecc. So that I can understand what you mean are you saying that.

Only a small proportion of people exposed to the virus will actually catch the virus. This would be really good news if its correct but is it?

I thought this was a really contagious virus, much more contagious than normal flu. I think I have seen on TV that around 4 to 5% of the UK population has so far had the virus, although in London that is higher but I think the report said it was probably still only around 10%.

It would be good if only around 10% of the population can catch the virus and 90% are just naturally immune but I still have my doubts about that.

 

[RossG]

Not quite:

To protect confidentiality, a small number of deaths have been reallocated between neighbouring areas.

Numbers are tiny per area so difficult to know if they have done so. I was aware of one here - and thought there might be a few more. Says two.

It's a bit out of date but gives you some idea though.

 

[flecc]

Sorry flecc.. but 11.6 Round trip is smaller than 18 .

Having looked again at your post I think that round trip figure from those so called experts is frankly utter rubbish.

Very few working people live in Central London and one way commutes average about 4 miles from inner boroughs. I know since I commuted from Streatham into both Waterloo and the West End for four years, averaging more that that each way.

From the outer boroughs like mine where such huge nunbers commute from it's far more, I had almost 16 miles each way for nine years to the West End and then 14 miles each way to Wandsworth south of the river for seventeen years.

And these are without the many trainloads and car drivers from all the distant locations far outside London that I mentioned.

The figures you quoted are not just wrong, they are impossible. I suspect they exclude many classes of London commuter.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

I liked this tweet too
James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
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27m

Is invisibility an unreported symptom of Covid-19? Asking for a Prime Minister.

I was thinking about this earlier. Where is the Prime Minister? He's gone AWOL again. Quite unbelievable.

I still believe that he is far from well and is suffering persistent affects from his self inflicted injury.

 

[wheeler]

Cancel my previous nominationfor the title of "Tweet of the Day" this one literally blew it out of the water

Sheer Genius this chap should replace Cummings on the Sage panel

Surely Dominic Raab wrote that.

 

[oyster]

I was thinking about this earlier. Where is the Prime Minister? He's gone AWOL again. Quite unbelievable.

I still believe that he is far from well and is suffering persistent affects from his self inflicted injury.

Obviously, we simply do not know. But the given track record of them claiming he was still working when ill, we definitely cannot trust what "they" say.

If he was having psychological or physical health issues, we'd probably only find out when the men in white coats or the undertaker came to take him away.

 

[flecc]

Nope, not buying that for one minute

So you insist none of this ever happened?:

"rushing other patients out of hospital into care homes, infecting and even killing them to create bed spaces that weren't needed, cancelling routine operations to leave surgeons and theatre staff free to work as doctors and nurses in Covid areas without the necessary skills."

I know for a fact they did, but perhaps you think those surgeons were lying or that there weren't those deaths in care homes of patients shifted out of normal hospital beds to be there?

All those measures I mentioned were proven beyond any doubt to be unnecessary to date by the many spare beds created in the normal hospitals thoughout. Why do you think they had to appeal to other patients previously put back to return for treatment to give them something to do? Why do you think the A & Es were empty and that was publicised on TV to get people to use A & E again?
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[oldgroaner]

I was thinking about this earlier. Where is the Prime Minister? He's gone AWOL again. Quite unbelievable.

I still believe that he is far from well and is suffering persistent affects from his self inflicted injury.

A more likely explanation is he suffers from
"A lack of intestinal fortitude"

 

[oldgroaner]

So you insist none of this ever happened?:

"rushing other patients out of hospital into care homes, infecting and even killing them to create bed spaces that weren't needed, cancelling routine operations to leave surgeons and theatre staff free to work as doctors and nurses in Covid areas without the necessary skills."

I know for a fact they did, but perhaps you think those surgeons were lying or that there weren't those deaths in care homes of patients shifted out of normal hospital beds to be there?

All those measures I mentioned were proven beyond any doubt to be unnecessary to date by the many spare beds created in the normal hospitals thoughout. Why do you think they had to appeal to other patients previously put back to return for treatment to give them something to do? Why do you think the A & Es were empty and that was publicised on TV to get people to use A & E again?
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Your question
So you insist none of this ever happened?:
"rushing other patients out of hospital into care homes, infecting and even killing them to create bed spaces that weren't needed, cancelling routine operations to leave surgeons and theatre staff free to work as doctors and nurses in Covid areas without the necessary skills."

No flecc I didn't say that did I?

That isn't making sense flecc explain why they didn't simply send those infected with the Covid 19 virus to the Nightingale Hospital rather than into care homes knowing they would die?
That would have been the obvious way to relieve the pressure on Normal hospitals
After all why make such a big deal over creating a specialist hospital and in the hour of need not use it?

Your question
Why do you think the A & Es were empty and that was publicised on TV to get people to use A & E again?
people were terrified, and saw them as offering certain death, not help
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[Nev]

Its still extremely early days but some promising news here from Moderna on a vaccine.

Moderna shows positive results on virus vaccine trials

Biotech company launches $1.25bn share issue after price surges 20% on early-stage human trial data

www.ft.com

The Guardian now have the story. It would be nice if the UK were to develop a successful vaccine but I don't really mind which country invents it just as long as its quickly becomes available to everyone.

First human trial results raise hopes for coronavirus vaccine

The initial eight volunteers produced an antibody response from Moderna’s RNA vaccine

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wicky]

Quite a lot more than the 9 miles each way mentioned by Nev, and since it's continuously increasing with housing costs and shortages making people move out, I doubt your quoted figure is still correct, being always in arrears of the continuous changes.

Perhaps you should be worrying about N.I. on your doorstep now that groups of up to six can meet outdoors there.
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877039/commuting-in-england-1988-2015.pdf