Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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When I worked down a coal mine we told the lad at the end of a tunnel that their was a headless ghost.
The tunnel was very windy and we tied a carrier bag to a long length of surveyors string and let it go down the tunnel at walking pace.
We heard the lad scream and he set off running, he swore blind that he had seen a ghost carrying it's head under it's arm...If you expect to see something, you might just see it.
You worked down a coal mine! Proper graft that. I only went down a mine once on a visit, it looked like a proper tough job.
 

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If you expect to see something, you might just see it.
This is true, but also works the other way around. There have been numerous studies into accidents that involve cars pulling out into oncoming motor cycles and bicycles. When asked the motorist swears that they looked and just didn't see the rider. This is true, but they were looking for other cars or lorries and so their brain just didn't register a bike coming towards them.

Another interesting observation is that you only see what you expect to see, something that is completely out of place you may well not be able to see it. As an example check out the ape in the basket ball game on YouTube.

I first saw this video around 25 years ago (long before YouTube), I was doing a course with around 20 other people. The lecturer showed us the video and said this was an observation test and that he would be asking questions related to what we had just viewed at the end of the presentation.

After he had shown the video he said he had only one question which was, he wanted to know had any of us seen the ape? We thought he was joking as not one of us had seen an ape in the video even though every one of us had been watching intently.

When he showed the video again we could now all see the ape, and were amazed that we hadn't seen it the first time around. If you haven't seen the video before you almost certainly will now be able to see the ape, but if you show the video to someone else do not mention the ape and just see if they notice it.
 
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I was listening to Radio 5 earlier today and they were interviewing a 56 year old painter and decorator. He had been in intensive care for weeks, he was still very breathless. He could not remember anything about being in intensive care, the last thing he could remember was going to the Cheltenham horse racing festival.

Why on earth did the Government allow this to go ahead? I remember thinking at the time they were crazy to allow it, I really hope one day people will be held to account for all these awful decisions, I am not holding out much hope for this though.
 

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Why on earth did the Government allow this to go ahead?
Many of us will remember seeing boards with several hand sanitiser dispensers mounted on them.

At the time, I was thinking that if things were bad enough to need them, it should not be allowed to go ahead.

I had already decided to avoid any crowded places. Either they were not really needed - they were just window dressing to make it look as if precautions were being taken - or they were grossly inadequate.
 

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There was a football match down here on the coast at the beginning of partial lockdown, 16000 people attended.
I often wonder how many are no longer with us...
 
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From today's farce. Sorry, briefing.

She adds that temperature checks for Covid-19 isn’t a very valid intervention because of the 14-day incubation period.


Is it a slightly valid intervention? A medium valid intervention? Or a wholly worthless intervention?

I'd argue that if a high temperature is a reasonable marker, then even if you only detect a few cases which happen top present at a critical time, it could be worth doing. (Most especially if high temperature coincides with high infectiousness.)

Q. What does the government intend to do to ease the double pressures on businesses in Northern Ireland impacted by the lockdown and by pending Brexit border checks?

Hancock says the government intends to deliver on the referendum result.


Complete non-answer.

Q. Do you think the prime minister should correct what he said in parliament, given that the only directive on a ban on care home visits came on 2 April, 10 ten days after the national lockdown?

Hancock says that on 13 March, extra guidance was introduced, after which many care home providers stopped visitors.

No comment needed.

Harries adds that R is a very standard way of comparing what’s happening and is an important measure, but the real outcome we need is a reduction in the number of cases.

It’s not just the R value, it’s the triangulation of all the evidence we have, she adds. It’s an important measure but not the only one.

Q. On a day when the R is up, are you absolutely confident that allowing an easing of measures ahead of a sunny, warm weekend is the right decision?

Hancock says R isn’t above 1, so it still meets the test.


It's the triangulation (Harries) but it's still the R number (Hancock).
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I was listening to Radio 5 earlier today and they were interviewing a 56 year old painter and decorator. He had been in intensive care for weeks, he was still very breathless. He could not remember anything about being in intensive care, the last thing he could remember was going to the Cheltenham horse racing festival.

Why on earth did the Government allow this to go ahead? I remember thinking at the time they were crazy to allow it, I really hope one day people will be held to account for all these awful decisions, I am not holding out much hope for this though.
Money. What else matters?
 
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My son works in a food distribution warehouse, Initially this warehouse had shut down for a few weeks but now it has re-opened. Apart from a bottle of Sanitizer on a shelf there's no form of virus protection anywhere on the premises, social distancing is unheard of. Some of the employees had a moan to the bosses so were offered an extra £700 pw to shut up and get on with it.
The company has been caught out though, apparently the local Council carried out a spot check for health & safety reasons so now they will have to observe distancing rules like it or not....god knows how though.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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My son works in a food distribution warehouse, Initially this warehouse had shut down for a few weeks but now it has re-opened. Apart from a bottle of Sanitizer on a shelf there's no form of virus protection anywhere on the premises, social distancing is unheard of. Some of the employees had a moan to the bosses so were offered an extra £700 pw to shut up and get on with it.
The company has been caught out though, apparently the local Council carried out a spot check for health & safety reasons so now they will have to observe distancing rules like it or not....god knows how though.
It’s looking like they’re losing control of the R rate and we are only 48 hours into the easements.

I’m not surprised by this, I said earlier in the week that there is no coordination, everyone is doing their own thing. Now R is rising, which elements are causing this and need trimming back? The truth is they don’t have a ******* clue because they don’t know which sections of the public are doing what.

Also, what are are the H & S standards for a workplace during the coronavirus pandemic? What is the minimum an employer must do to protect their employees? Who checks to see the measures are in place?

Non of this has been thought through. It’s a clusterfuck and it has Johnson‘s trademarked recklessness all over it.
 
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The government have put down what they say are clear guidelines but the only thing clear about them is they cannot be followed. Let's take a restaurant as an example, you could move the tables two metres apart but what happens when two or more want to use the bog at the same time ? They can hardly have a guard on the door of the john telling you to wait in a queue while you break you neck, same thing for pubs only more so.
 

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The government have put down what they say are clear guidelines but the only thing clear about them is they cannot be followed. Let's take a restaurant as an example, you could move the tables two metres apart but what happens when two or more want to use the bog at the same time ? They can hardly have a guard on the door of the john telling you to wait in a queue while you break you neck, same thing for pubs only more so.
Close the toilets. No problem. :)
 

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Close the toilets. No problem.
the job centers have done this for a long time and under lock and key last time i asked to use it they told me to go take a crap in the local park.


Given that all of our Jobcentres are unique it isn’t possible to design a generic
approach for the customer use of toilets on our premises that will ensure we
meet our obligations. It is therefore important that each Jobcentre or DWP
customer facing office risk assess the impact of granting our customers
access to toilets for their particular office and handle these situations and
issues on a site by site basis. Customer access to toilets must be factored into
the Jobcentre Customer Facing Risk Assessment (JCFRA) process for each
site. To be clear the use of toilets is not for general customer use but
considerations must be in place for every Jobcentre/ DWP customer facing
office so staff are prepared for when these situations arise.

so i need to have a risk assessment done b4 i can take a pi$$ in a job center can i apply online pmsl :p
 
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