Brexit, for once some facts.

sjpt

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One way to help the Post Office finances in these days of hardship.
Ship 40,000 testing kits to yourself. When they arrive, ship them again; and again ...

This saves the need to have the ability to process the tests; oh, and does wonders for the statistics.
 

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I spent years actually using asbestos at work, and was extremely lucky to survive, but then I was ignorant of the danger as they made damned sure not to let us find out, blaming the many guys who died early with all sorts of reasons, smoke, Black foundry sand, exposure to cold or heat, and even noise, but mainly to them smoking drinking, bad diet or bad luck, but never asbestos
Let us not foget how incredibly behind the science and, most particularly, many other countries, we were regarding lead in petrol.
 

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Our local butchers is quite substantial - you often see four staff working behind the counter. They have placed a simple trestle table across the door - but just inside. You queue up outside, along the pavement, and only one person goes in.

They started a delivery service - free for orders over £15 within town. It is obvious that they are sending out vast quantities as there is always a large pile of boxes being prepared/ready to go.
Funny coincidence so has my local butcher ! Not sure if he's open but you can ring in an order and it's free delivery on any order. I see some pubs are doing a take-away service on beer as well, I guess you can adapt to any situation if you have to.
 

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It gets ever more confusing the closer (ha!) you look.
Am I allowed to choose to buy my fuse or tap washer from B&Q 30 miles away? Or am I expected to buy from Homebase, Screwfix, Wickes, Wilko, or whoever?
It isn't confusing, as the government have confirmed, you can buy anything you like from any shop legally open.

The actual words used in relation to shoppers were:

"They can buy anything they like".

They hardly needed to clarify, since the guidance only said one should only leave home for one of the four essential reasons.

It did not say one cannot do anything that wasn't essential while out on an essential journey, like wave to a neighbour, give way to another driver, switch the dashboard display of your car or pick up a non-essential item while shopping.

We only needed a single permitted need within the scope of any of the four reasons to have a fling.
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Funny coincidence so has my local butcher ! Not sure if he's open but you can ring in an order and it's free delivery on any order. I see some pubs are doing a take-away service on beer as well, I guess you can adapt to any situation if you have to.
They'll be doing take away funerals next!
Oh, hang on somethings not quite right there :rolleyes:
Ok Click and collect it is.
 
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As kid I was doing that for Ralph's the butchers on Saturday mornings riding a trade bike from 1946 on. Delivering the weekend joints and collecting the money for the meat with no delivery charge. Meat delivery was commonplace back then.

The afternoon was helping Sid the junior butcher to make the sausages for the week ahead., austerity post war sausages in those days, 90% soaked stale bread, 10% meat of sorts, plus herbs and seasoning! Amazingly they tasted ok.
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Takes me back, when I was 12 years I used to work in a butchers mincing dripping 5 shillings for an afternoons work. That butcher was a right crackpot, he used to pull a sleeve down on his white overalls and shove a pigs trotter in place of his hand. He would then wait for an old lady to walk in to buy her tripe and serve her with the trotter still in place :)
Just imagine doing that now, the trotter would of course go back in the window afterwards...can't have waste.
 

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I spent years actually using asbestos at work, and was extremely lucky to survive, but then I was ignorant of the danger as they made damned sure not to let us find out, blaming the many guys who died early with all sorts of reasons, smoke, Black foundry sand, exposure to cold or heat, and even noise, but mainly to them smoking drinking, bad diet or bad luck, but never asbestos
Yeah, I have a feeling that's what saw my father off working in a dockyard as he did for a while. Would you believe asbestos was even used in the brewing industry at one time in the beer filters.
 
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Takes me back, when I was 12 years I used to work in a butchers mincing dripping 5 shillings for an afternoons work. That butcher was a right crackpot, he used to pull a sleeve down on his white overalls and shove a pigs trotter in place of his hand. He would then wait for an old lady to walk in to buy her tripe and serve her with the trotter still in place :)
Just imagine doing that now, the trotter would of course go back in the window afterwards...can't have waste.
:):) Copied and sent to my daughter who has a butcher's shop.
 
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Just to say if Trump has evidence of Covid coming from a Chinese lab I hope he files it with George W Bush's Iraqi WMD evidence. In other words we will never see it but trust him, it exists :rolleyes:
 

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Yeah, I have a feeling that's what saw my father off working in a dockyard as he did for a while. Would you believe asbestos was even used in the brewing industry at one time in the beer filters.
There is more to this tale: the Guys who worked on the Boiler Making half of the Factory thought the Guys who worked in the pottery half had a cushy job, as instead of being universally covered in black sand and filthy soot , they worked in a warm environment wearing short sleeved white natches that looked like nurses uniforms, we only found out later that they died like flies from silicosis caused by the white dust when they opened the plaster of paris moulds and fettled the unfired toilets pans and washbasins they were making, and worst off of all where the guys in the cast iron bath plant that applied the glaze as a powdered frit to red hot bath castings, apart from the heat, the frit contained lead and antimony, many died of cancer.
 

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Yeah, I have a feeling that's what saw my father off working in a dockyard as he did for a while. Would you believe asbestos was even used in the brewing industry at one time in the beer filters.
I remember using asbestos filter pads for home brewed wine clearing!
 

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There is more to this tale: the Guys who worked on the Boiler Making half of the Factory thought the Guys who worked in the pottery half had a cushy job, as instead of being universally covered in black sand and filthy soot , they worked in a warm environment wearing short sleeved white natches that looked like nurses uniforms, we only found out later that they died like flies from silicosis caused by the white dust when they opened the plaster of paris moulds and fettled the unfired toilets pans and washbasins they were making, and worst off of all where the guys in the cast iron bath plant that applied the glaze as a powdered frit to red hot bath castings, apart from the heat, the frit contained lead and antimony, many died of cancer.
Would that have been blue asbestos OG ?
 

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remember the Mexican swine flu (H1N1) in 2009?
the Chinese could just as easily point out that part of the SARS-COV-2 genome comes from US studies of that one.
I read a paper published in 2015 detailing how these things are manipulated.
Didn't something escape from Porton Down at one time many years ago? I used to know someone who worked there, I don't know if he was pulling my leg but remember him telling me the walls where they meet the floor are curved so no skirting edge. I would have thought that was to make cleaning easier but he said it's to stop rats running up the walls should they drop one....charming.
 

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Just to say if Trump has evidence of Covid coming from a Chinese lab I hope he files it with George W Bush's Iraqi WMD evidence. In other words we will never see it but trust him, it exists
China are also denying they're the source and are in turn pointing the finger at the French

The same ambassador to the UK who also denied there are camps in Xinjiang holding Uighurs despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Crazy days with so many duplicitous leaders CN, RU, USA and are very own Boris.

 
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Would that have been blue asbestos OG ?
WE used every available grade, including wool, powder, rope, pad and moulded forms, as to the colour, it never occurred to us to ask.
It was all harmless, or so we were told
 

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Didn't something escape from Porton Down at one time many years ago? I used to know someone who worked there, I don't know if he was pulling my leg but remember him telling me the walls where they meet the floor are curved so no skirting edge. I would have thought that was to make cleaning easier but he said it's to stop rats running up the walls should they drop one....charming.
Certainly sounds like a leg pull to me, can't see how having a curved bottom of the wall as opposed to a square edge with skirting would make it any more difficult for a rat to climb up the wall. If the walls were plastered or tiled I don't think a rat could climb up it anyway. They are good climbers but they need something to grip on I would think.
 
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Didn't something escape from Porton Down at one time many years ago? I used to know someone who worked there, I don't know if he was pulling my leg but remember him telling me the walls where they meet the floor are curved so no skirting edge. I would have thought that was to make cleaning easier but he said it's to stop rats running up the walls should they drop one....charming.
I never saw any walls like that in my four terms there as a guinea pig for experiments, probably because I'm not classed as a rat, whatever others might think. However there may well have been in animal experimentation labs, but of course I was in the human experimentation labs side.

Still being bound by the official secrets act I can't any give details, but the names of the two divisions at that time says enough:

CDEE: Chemical Defence Experimental Establishment.

MRE: Microbiological Research Establishment.

In other words, chemical warfare and germ warfare.

Despite which many of the experiments were not directly related to any form of attack or defence.
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Certainly sounds like a leg pull to me, can't see how having a curved bottom of the wall as opposed to a square edge with skirting would make it any more difficult for a rat to climb up the wall. If the walls were plastered or tiled I don't think a rat could climb up it anyway. They are good climbers but they need something to grip on I would think.
I am not 100% sure as it was many years ago, but I can remember testing the resistance of the floor in an operating theatre and I am almost certain the walls of that curved at the bottom, this would obviously be to help keep it clean.
 
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