Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

So now we know what is and isn't allowed. Well, if the CPS says so, it must be so...

The Crown Prosecution Service has produced guidance about what constitutes a reasonable excuse to be outside the home during the lockdown.

It follows confusion caused in part by a difference between government statements and emergency laws. The guidance has been reproduced and published by the College of Policing, and the National Police Chiefs Council.

According to the document, meant to inform police officers enforcing the lockdown, the following are examples of reasonable excuses to be outside the home:

• Buying several days’ worth of food, including luxury items and alcohol.
• Collecting surplus basic food items from a friend.
• Going for a run or cycle or practicing yoga.
• Walking in the countryside or in cities.
• Attending an allotment.
• Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving).
• Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
• Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
• Taking an animal for treatment.
• Moving to a friend’s address for several days to allow a ‘cooling-off’ following arguments at home.

An explanatory note says:

The Regulations allow people to move house. This means that individuals can move between households. But this should be a genuine move (ie. measured in days, not hours).

Examples of excuses that are not reasonable include:

• Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
• Driving for a prolonged period with only brief exercise.
• A short walk to a park bench, when the person remains seated for a much longer period.
• A person who can work from home choosing to work in a local park.
• A person knocking on doors offering to do cash in-hand work.
• Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).
• Visiting a friend in their address or meeting in public to socialise.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Our local beach..which is miles deep was locked up on the weekend to deter visitors, was still locked up by today. I believe illegally . In terms of social distancing 1 person per 100 metres ,seems safe to me,anyway the local lads are using the church park as a skateboard run, so small groups of 3 or 4 in large tarmaced area seems fine to me.

I forget who it was, but someone told me how they explained the above to their 11 year old daughter.

Across the road from where they live is a disused car park which all the local children use for roller skating and skate boarding. The daughter asked her father if she could go out and play on her roller skates on the car park because no one was there and she wouldn’t be getting close to anyone. The father explained to his daughter that the reason the car park was empty was because all the other children were being good and were staying at home. He went on to explain that if she went out and played on the car park, it would be disrespectful of the other children’s good behaviour. That was all she needed to know and now understands what it’s all about.

So if an 11 year old can understand it..........

 

[flecc]

So now we know what is and isn't allowed. Well, if the CPS says so, it must be so...

The Crown Prosecution Service has produced guidance about what constitutes a reasonable excuse to be outside the home during the lockdown.

It follows confusion caused in part by a difference between government statements and emergency laws. The guidance has been reproduced and published by the College of Policing, and the National Police Chiefs Council.

According to the document, meant to inform police officers enforcing the lockdown, the following are examples of reasonable excuses to be outside the home:

• Buying several days’ worth of food, including luxury items and alcohol.
• Collecting surplus basic food items from a friend.
• Going for a run or cycle or practicing yoga.
• Walking in the countryside or in cities.
• Attending an allotment.
• Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving).
• Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
• Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
• Taking an animal for treatment.
• Moving to a friend’s address for several days to allow a ‘cooling-off’ following arguments at home.

An explanatory note says:



Examples of excuses that are not reasonable include:

• Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
• Driving for a prolonged period with only brief exercise.
• A short walk to a park bench, when the person remains seated for a much longer period.
• A person who can work from home choosing to work in a local park.
• A person knocking on doors offering to do cash in-hand work.
• Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).
• Visiting a friend in their address or meeting in public to socialise.

Correct and sensible, quite unlike the imagined rules that many of the police have been trying to enforce.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Face masks again. Are the surgical masks affective? The cloth / paper type which fit touching the mouth and nose. I wonder if droplets containing traces of virus could “wick” through the mask onto the skin / lips etc. This could be particularly true with homemade type masks constructed from cloth of an unknown standard.

The rigid fibre type masks which seal around the face via an edge and stand away from the lips and nose may offer better protection from wicking.

Just mulling over different mask types. The ones I use are of the latter type.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

So now we know what is and isn't allowed. Well, if the CPS says so, it must be so...

The Crown Prosecution Service has produced guidance about what constitutes a reasonable excuse to be outside the home during the lockdown.

It follows confusion caused in part by a difference between government statements and emergency laws. The guidance has been reproduced and published by the College of Policing, and the National Police Chiefs Council.

According to the document, meant to inform police officers enforcing the lockdown, the following are examples of reasonable excuses to be outside the home:

• Buying several days’ worth of food, including luxury items and alcohol.
• Collecting surplus basic food items from a friend.
• Going for a run or cycle or practicing yoga.
• Walking in the countryside or in cities.
• Attending an allotment.
• Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving).
• Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
• Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
• Taking an animal for treatment.
• Moving to a friend’s address for several days to allow a ‘cooling-off’ following arguments at home.

An explanatory note says:



Examples of excuses that are not reasonable include:

• Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
• Driving for a prolonged period with only brief exercise.
• A short walk to a park bench, when the person remains seated for a much longer period.
• A person who can work from home choosing to work in a local park.
• A person knocking on doors offering to do cash in-hand work.
• Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).
• Visiting a friend in their address or meeting in public to socialise.

It’s just common sense. The problems start when people self identify loop-holes and grant themselves exceptions.

 

[oldgroaner]

So now we know what is and isn't allowed. Well, if the CPS says so, it must be so...

The Crown Prosecution Service has produced guidance about what constitutes a reasonable excuse to be outside the home during the lockdown.

It follows confusion caused in part by a difference between government statements and emergency laws. The guidance has been reproduced and published by the College of Policing, and the National Police Chiefs Council.

According to the document, meant to inform police officers enforcing the lockdown, the following are examples of reasonable excuses to be outside the home:

• Buying several days’ worth of food, including luxury items and alcohol.
• Collecting surplus basic food items from a friend.
• Going for a run or cycle or practicing yoga.
• Walking in the countryside or in cities.
• Attending an allotment.
• Driving to countryside and walking (where far more time is spent walking than driving).
• Stopping to rest or to eat lunch while on a long walk.
• Buying tools and supplies to repair a fence panel damaged in recent bad weather.
• Taking an animal for treatment.
• Moving to a friend’s address for several days to allow a ‘cooling-off’ following arguments at home.

An explanatory note says:



Examples of excuses that are not reasonable include:

• Buying paint and brushes, simply to redecorate a kitchen.
• Driving for a prolonged period with only brief exercise.
• A short walk to a park bench, when the person remains seated for a much longer period.
• A person who can work from home choosing to work in a local park.
• A person knocking on doors offering to do cash in-hand work.
• Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).
• Visiting a friend in their address or meeting in public to socialise.

They missed this off the not reasonable list

• skyving off important work to shack up with your girlfriend in a distant luxury pad

(the Form of daily exercise called nookie) being disallowed

 

[flecc]

Face masks again. Are the surgical masks affective? The cloth / paper type which fit touching the mouth and nose. I wonder if droplets containing traces of virus could “wick” through the mask onto the skin / lips etc.

They can.

This type of mask only protects others from you, it offers no reliable protection from others.

One of the best protections from others is a deep visor, similar to those on open face motorcycle helmets. Our medical staff in the most dangerous situations are using those in conjunction with a cloth face mask.

 

[oyster]

They can.

This type of mask only protects others from you, it offers no reliable protection from others.

One of the best protections from others is a deep visor, similar to those on open face motorcycle helmets. Our medical staff in the most dangerous situations are using those in conjunction with a cloth face mask.

I've got one not a million miles different I use with circular saws, sanders, etc. Old, scratched, but just as resistant to viruses.

At present it feels as if the government has a positive objection to masks - of all sorts - outside specific medical, care, etc., settings.

 

[flecc]

It’s just common sense. The problems start when people self identify loop-holes and grant themselves exceptions.

I tend to think far more problems arise when the police identify loopholes to more rigidly enforce than was intended.
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[oyster]

It’s just common sense. The problems start when people self identify loop-holes and grant themselves exceptions.

Much might be common sense. But they manage to choose examples which would almost appear chosen not to clarify.

You can:
Taking an animal for treatment.
You can't:
Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).

Which rather leaves "getting prescription for Tibbles dispensed" unanswered. It raises the two ends of the spectrum and ignores the pretty darned obvious middle...

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I tend to think far more problems arise when the police identify loopholes to more rigidly enforce than was intended.
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I can’t disagree with that. Everyone needs to calm down and stop over interpreting the guidance, both the police and the public. It’s obvious what the basic intention of the guidance is.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Much might be common sense. But they manage to choose examples which would almost appear chosennot to clarify.

You can:
Taking an animal for treatment.
You can't:
Visiting a vet’s surgery in person to renew a prescription (where this could be done over the phone).

Which rather leaves "getting prescription for Tibbles dispensed" unanswered. It raises the two ends of the spectrum and ignores the pretty darned obvious middle...

On line dispensing. Vets 4 Pets or similar. If it’s urgent and the animal will suffer or die without the medication, then a pre-arranged trip to the vets to pick up the drugs would be acceptable. You could phone ahead, pay over the phone and then dash in and out to make the pickup.

 

[Wicky]

Face masks again. Are the surgical masks affective? The cloth / paper type which fit touching the mouth and nose. I wonder if droplets containing traces of virus could “wick” through the mask onto the skin / lips etc. This could be particularly true with homemade type masks constructed from cloth of an unknown standard.

The rigid fibre type masks which seal around the face via an edge and stand away from the lips and nose may offer better protection from wicking.

Just mulling over different mask types. The ones I use are of the latter type.

Surgical masks in a clinical setting are usually changed every 4 hours . Seen reports that Poland it's compulsory now

"All Polish people will be required to cover their mouth and nose in public spaces from 16 April,"

Vending machines selling face masks and sanitisers appear in Poland’s two biggest cities

Industry association sets up machines to stop operators losing their jobs during lockdown

www.independent.co.uk

Presumably at least wearing a scarf / snood will pragmatically suffice as well.

 

[oyster]

On line dispensing. Vets 4 Pets or similar. If it’s urgent and the animal will suffer or die without the medication, then a pre-arranged trip to the vets to pick up the drugs would be acceptable. You could phone ahead, pay over the phone and then dash in and out to make the pickup.

If it is truly urgent, I agree, I don't think there is an issue.

But there seems little point in saying you cannot go to renew the prescription for Tibbles if you have to go there to pick up the prescribed medicine anyway! It is more the way they have not seen how their advice fails to make sense in this pretty obvious case.

 

[Nev]

I agree with you , the laugh smiley was for the notion that Hancock hits the target.

I think there is a very good chance certainly better than 50% that Hancock does hit his 100,000 target by the end of the month. Before everyone starts shouting at me that I am an idiot, did anyone notice how Hancocks wording changed slightly in the last daily briefing he gave.

I think he mentioned at least twice the term "testing capacity". Now come the end of the month and lets say actual tests are running at well below 100,000, he can still claim we now have the capacity to test that many if enough people came forward.

This is worth a read it reveals a testing centre with capacity to do an enormous amount of tests, but they are not getting many samples to test.

I am a swab tester – but we have barely any swabs to test | Gianmarco Raddi

The response here is hampered by lack of political will, says molecular biologist Gianmarco Raddi

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wicky]

I tend to think far more problems arise when the police identify loopholes to more rigidly enforce than was intended.
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I concur - local area FB group is in meltdown over a kite flyer Are they EVIL or exercising- It's like medieval defining of what contitutes a witch...

 

[sjpt]

Melinda Gates: Trump's WHO move makes 'zero sense'

The philanthropist tells the BBC that the WHO is “exactly the organisation to deal with a pandemic”.

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Trump's WHO move makes zero sense, says Melinda Gates
I guess that means it makes somewhat more sense than most of his moves.

 

[oyster]

I think there is a very good chance certainly better than 50% that Hancock does hit his 100,000 target by the end of the month. Before everyone starts shouting at me that I am an idiot, did anyone notice how Hancocks wording changed slightly in the last daily briefing he gave.

I think he mentioned at least twice the term "testing capacity". Now come the end of the month and lets say actual tests are running at well below 100,000, he can still claim we now have the capacity to test that many if enough people came forward.

This is worth a read it reveals a testing centre with capacity to do an enormous amount of tests, but they are not getting many samples to test.

I am a swab tester – but we have barely any swabs to test | Gianmarco Raddi

The response here is hampered by lack of political will, says molecular biologist Gianmarco Raddi

www.theguardian.com

And:

Less than half UK's Covid-19 testing capacity being used, figures show
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/less-than-half-uks-covid-19-testing-capacity-being-used-figures-show-coronavirus

They are preparing to blame everyone else for not using what wasn't there and even if it was there didn't know they could use.

I agree, testing capacity versus actual tests will be exploited.

 

[RossG]

There's so many loopholes in that list you could conjure up I don't think I'll even begin to go there. As barry says it's all common sense really. Here's a funny one ... if the Police are called out or they catch you out breaking a lockdown rule and as a result you are nicked, you then commit another offence you can only be arrested for that other discretion. In other words you arrange a rave in a field for a thousand people and you get nicked, you knock a bobby's helmet off so to speak and can only get charged for that offence, not a Covid breech.

 

[flecc]

Which rather leaves "getting prescription for Tibbles dispensed" unanswered. It raises the two ends of the spectrum and ignores the pretty darned obvious middle...

Which is the flexibility for individual judgment, according to one's circumstances.

I think that is sensible.
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