Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-path-speci/special-report-johnson-listened-to-his-scientists-about-coronavirus-but-they-were-slow-to-sound-the-alarm-idUSKBN21P1VF

If unconstrained and if the virus behaved as in China, up to four-fifths of Britons could be infected and one in a hundred might die, wrote the scientists, members of an official committee set up to model the spread of pandemic flu, on March 2. Their assessment didn’t spell it out, but that was a prediction of over 500,000 deaths in this nation of nearly 70 million.

Yet the next day, March 3, Prime Minister Boris Johnson was his cheery self. He joked that he was still shaking hands with everyone, including at a hospital treating coronavirus patients.

“Our country remains extremely well prepared,” Johnson said as Italy reached 79 deaths. “We already have a fantastic NHS,” the national public health service, “fantastic testing systems and fantastic surveillance of the spread of disease.”

 

[wheeler]

“Our country remains extremely well prepared,” Johnson said as Italy reached 79 deaths. “We already have a fantastic NHS,” the national public health service, “fantastic testing systems and fantastic surveillance of the spread of disease.”

So much fantasy.

 

[oyster]

Some people are making lockdown escapees less than welcome. Announcement from Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board:

We would like to advise people living in second homes in North Wales during the COVID-19 pandemic that routine medication will not be provided to temporary residents unless they have relocated to live with a carer who is ordinarily a resident within the Health Board area.

Requests for repeat medication to BCUHB GP practices, GP Out of Hours, Community Pharmacies, Minor Injuries Units or Emergency Departments will be refused and temporary residents will be directed to contact their usual GP practice.

 

[Wicky]

She's certainly not the best example for Home Secretary, but the police will leave her alone since their pay rests with her. They still remember what happened when they gave Theresa May a rough time as Home Secretary, big cuts and reduced money.
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Found her! only 15 miles so up the road 'keeping busy' and going by the letter of the govt advice and not seeing anybody.

MP Priti: ‘I’m busy trying to keep our country safe’

THE Home Secretary has been accused of avoiding public scrutiny after she refused to appear in front of a Parliamentary committee.

www.gazette-news.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

Robert Bob11h

There are fears that privately “a trail of errors” led the prime minister to “critical risk”. ‘Macho’ attitude in Number 10 led to coronavirus entering Downing Street, claims Tory MP https://theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/boris-johnson-coronavirus-in-downing-street-1-6602996?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons
oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Trail of errors? Crass stupidity is the term best applied to the decisions and actions being made by Boris and co resulting in Lethal failure to prevent unnecessary deaths. The Fear comes in that they won't resign and be replaced by capable people.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Not by a long shot... the Tories will have to try harder.. France got up to 1400 deaths yesterday alone, and Italy is still the European leader with twice the UK's total. Germany is a long shot, but making up lost ground.
Its a macabre sweepstakes.

You tried to steal the Tories thunder. Boris smashed it yesterday and will probably put some distance between himself and second place today. He might be in hospital, but his legacy is thriving. Read this buried deep in the BBC news:

It is the UK‘s worst single-day death toll since the outbreak began, and eclipses even the very worst days suffered by either Spain or Italy, the country worst hit by the deadly virus.
And the daily rate of deaths is still expected to rise yet higher for several days to come, said officials.

The deaths are definitely being downplayed. I detected the beginning of this on Wednesday when the number wasn’t actually announced. You had to do sums to reveal it. It looks like they’ve got the BBC on board too. That licence fee threat is very powerful indeed.

 

[oyster]

He doesn't half write well (I know I've said it before!) - the logic and language flow. Also mentions brexit.

Coronavirus has exposed the myth of British exceptionalism

Fintan O’Toole
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/11/coronavirus-exposed-myth-british-exceptionalism?CMP=share_btn_link

 

[sjpt]

I can’t believe that **** Handcock has just hinted that PPE should only be used when clinically necessary. What the fcku does he think they are doing with it? Going to a fckuing fancy dress party? ******* stupid ****.

I don't know but somebody here might.
Is the UK definition of clinically necessary the same as the WHO definition?
Is 'clinically necessary' the same as 'clinically recommended'?

 

[oyster]

I don't know but somebody here might.
Is the UK definition of clinically necessary the same as the WHO definition?
Is 'clinically necessary' the same as 'clinically recommended'?

Just think how much PPE they could save by only using it when the patients have been shown to have the virus!

Funny how the procedures for all sorts of things changed dramatically when HIV/AIDS came onto the scene. No-one seems to suggest that we revert to pre-HIV/AIDS approaches. The principles were precautionary - you simply do not and cannot know if patient has HIV/AIDS, therefore you must protect yourselves.

Doesn't the same apply - only with a massively more dynamic rate of infection, add in aerosol and other modes of transmission, and greater difficulties over testing?

 

[oldgroaner]

I don't know but somebody here might.
Is the UK definition of clinically necessary the same as the WHO definition?
Is 'clinically necessary' the same as 'clinically recommended'?

Let me explain Government policy

The basic principle is that any statement made by this government must be taken as correct, but only till till the politician making that statement closes their mouths.

In the case of Audio visual or printed information the caveat is
This information will self destruct in ten seconds

Where previously recorded material is unearthed, the appropriate Cabinet minister will disavow the contents.

 

[oldgroaner]

What Price the Leave campaign slagging Turkey now?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1248736263428952064

And brexiteers are tweeting to slag Turkey for doing it.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I don't know but somebody here might.
Is the UK definition of clinically necessary the same as the WHO definition?
Is 'clinically necessary' the same as 'clinically recommended'?

The U.K. definition of “Clinically Necessary” will have been reverse engineered from what is available. That way, they will satisfy the clinically necessary requirements. Boom! Result.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

The next crisis to hit is going to be NHS staff burnout. They are working hideous shifts, in dangerous conditions and inadequately protected. They are tired, frightened and have completely lost confidence in the people who are supposed to be supporting them.

The time is fast approaching when significant numbers are going to say enough and start thinking about themselves and their families. The Royal College of Nursing has stated this morning that they have lost confidence in The Health Secretary (Matt Handcock).

The BBC played the clip of the head of the RCN saying they have no confidence in him, to Handcock. His response was to say that he didn’t believe that is what she meant. With denial levels of that magnitude, there is no hope.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Without wishing him harm, I’m kind of hoping that Johnson is off the scene for an extended period.

He is such a massive twat, that I suspect that when he emerges, he will be wearing his Coronavirus episode as some kind of “Badge of Honour”. This will undermine the seriousness and deadliness of this virus and do tremendous harm.

 

[oyster]

Without wishing him harm, I’m kind of hoping that Johnson is off the scene for an extended period.

He is such a massive twat, that I suspect that when he emerges, he will be wearing his Coronavirus episode as some kind of “Badge of Honour”. This will undermine the seriousness and deadliness of this virus and do tremendous harm.

I've been trying to come up with a best outcome for precisely that.

Maybe, he says he is better, but almost immediately has a temporary relapse and the view of everyone (else?) is that he mustn't continue in role?

 

[Wicky]

"A few hours ago, Health Secretary Matt Hancock confirmed that 19 NHS workers had died from the virus so far"

These are the health workers who have died from coronavirus

As coronavirus spreads throughout the UK, The Telegraph will pay tribute to the health workers who have lost their lives fighting Covid-19

www.telegraph.co.uk

I wonder what proportion of the retired staff bought in as reinforcements are succuming to infection.

Mr Hancock said he was "particularly struck at the high proportion of people from minority ethnic backgrounds and people who have come to this country to work in the NHS who have died of coranavirus".
"It is a testament to the fact that people who have come from all over the world have come and given their lives in service to the NHS and paid for that with their lives," he said, adding that "we should recognise their enormous contribution".

Tories cheering when they voted to block a pay rise for Nurses In 2017

Doh! now it dawns on him and Telgraph + its readers that NHS staffing is cosmopolitan - must be a rude awakening after Brexit.

 

[sjpt]

The U.K. definition of “Clinically Necessary” will have been reverse engineered from what is available. That way, they will satisfy the clinically necessary requirements. Boom! Result.

Precisely. So unless 'necessary' is the same as 'recommended' they are recommending that 'clinically recommended' equipment should not be used.

 

[oldgroaner]

I've been trying to come up with a best outcome for precisely that.

Maybe, he says he is better, but almost immediately has a temporary relapse and the view of everyone (else?) is that he mustn't continue in role?

Best outcome? arrest him as an enemy of the public on a charge of causing deaths by implementing criminally dangerous policies.

 

[oldgroaner]

According to the BBC the Conservatives now have something positive to report, as we have the highest daily death count in Europe.

UK daily death toll among surpasses Italy and Spain's worst days.

Why has the Government not fallen on it's sword?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

According to the BBC the Conservatives now have something positive to report, as we have the highest daily death count in Europe.

UK daily death toll among surpasses Italy and Spain's worst days.

Why has the Government not fallen on it's sword?

Don't rain on their parade. It's the first time they have led us to the top of any kind of league table in decades.

(I do realise that behind each death there are people grieving, heartbroken and struggling to cope with the loss.)