Brexit, for once some facts.

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As I said in my other post, the table shows that net population increased by approx 10 million in the last 15 years. I ask the question again: How many new hospitals were built during that time to cope with what's effectively 30 cities the size of Birmingham as it was?
the problem is the number of hospital beds went from 330,000 when MT left, now down to under 150,000.
Guess whch party is responsible for the cut?
 
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I just noticed that something doesn't add up. The fertility/reproduction rate is 1.8 per couple. so the resident population would go down if it weren't for immigration.
you forget to compute the effect of people living longer.
 
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The £ is stronger against the € than it’s been for a while. Hmmmmm
that's the honey trap.
If I shorted the Pound, I'd want to push the Pound higher beore the election result so that punters would buy my option.
In a coupe of days, if JRM says they won't vote for an extension of the implementation period, the Pound would lose immediately 7 cents against the USD.
 
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Labour traditionally benefits from electoral fraud associated with postal voting. Maybe it’s been tightened up? They might only be allowing a maximum of 4 Mr Zgjkiuytasdewrty’s per household.
What's worse for labour is that three out of the four have switched to voting conservative.
 
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It was genuine, all the details given by the patient on a medical program.

And I know my own experiences are genuine. Like sent for an urgent X ray which was carried out immediately. Then a ten week wait for the results due to the huge backlog of X rays to be assessed by someone. Just as well I wasn't suffering from pneumonia since that wait could have killed me.

And two years with no cataract operations being carried out due to no cash allocation for them.

Portraying the genuine complaints as possibly false is very wrong, since it gives the authorities the excuse they welcome to do nothing to put things right.

In many areas the NHS is in real mess with many urgent problems and numerous patients getting a terrible service. It's not the fault of the staff, it's simply not enough staff, not enough beds and intensive care capacity and cash strapped budgets.

And it's not just in hospitals, there's the ficticious ambulance response times and weeks of delay to see a GP.
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As usual any negative aspects of NHS are exaggerated and positive ones dismissed.
Yes, many Health Trusts have introduced tougher thresholds for cataract operations but in my experience they are still operating asap on real needy patients. I am myself in line for a cataract operation, my surgeon did explain that 2 or 3 years ago I would have qualified but not now. Mine needs to deteriorate a little before hand. Its no big deal for me, not affecting my lifestyle whatsoever. I cant speak for others but it does seem your reading of posts on here is fine, or perhaps its why you often misinterpret my posts.?? (smiley face)
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Introducing a Visual Accuity threshold seems common sense to me. Not all cataracts require removal. I, ve had mine about 15 years.
 

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As usual any negative aspects of NHS are exaggerated and positive ones dismissed.
That is uncalled for, I did not exaggerate. Positive is how the NHS should perform and needs no reporting. For example, potholes are reportable, smooth roads without problems are not.

it does seem your reading of posts on here is fine
Indeed my eysight now has the highest possible rating, thanks to my going private at £5000. Again there was no exaggeration, my cataracts had started to threaten my ability to read a number plate at the stipulated distance, but the NHS didn't care about that. Indeed I was told my cataracts weren't bad enough to be operated on!

That is not satisfactory service from the NHS.
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That's just political spin. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if the population increases by 20%, you need 20% more hospitals, 20% more nurses, 20% more doctors, 20% more houses, 20% more schools, etc, no matter where they come from. We haven't had 20% more of any of those. That's why there's a strain on them.

If you want to bring immigrants into the UK, they have to be planned for and provided for, not just hope that they will be absorbed into the population without any problems.
To repeat - they are propping up public services

The MAC report looked at a number of key public services - starting with health - and found EEA migrants contribute more to the NHS and social care than they use.

EEA workers make up an increasing share of the workforce in this sector, although historically the UK has relied more on nurses and doctors born in Commonwealth countries.



Wonder why places like Clacton-on-Sea (ex UKIP constituency) has a severe shortage of GPs , and when patients come to the nearest hospital the Chief Executive has to warn ‘Racists should not be treated at hospital’

“How do you deal with a patient who says they refuse to be treated by a black nurse, which is not uncommon?"


He said it was “not by accident” that the town of Clacton-on-Sea in the area had elected a UK Independence Party MP in 2014, and that “the single most important issue in any election for the last six years has always been ‘immigrants’ as they’re described by our local population”.

 
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As usual any negative aspects of NHS are exaggerated and positive ones dismissed.
Yes, many Health Trusts have introduced tougher thresholds for cataract operations but in my experience they are still operating asap on real needy patients. I am myself in line for a cataract operation, my surgeon did explain that 2 or 3 years ago I would have qualified but not now. Mine needs to deteriorate a little before hand. Its no big deal for me, not affecting my lifestyle whatsoever. I cant speak for others but it does seem your reading of posts on here is fine, or perhaps its why you often misinterpret my posts.?? (smiley face)
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Introducing a Visual Accuity threshold seems common sense to me. Not all cataracts require removal. I, ve had mine about 15 years.

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In August my wife and I were in a bad car accident. We both ended up with broken backs among other injuries. We spent 18 hours in A&E at Homerton hospital. The staff were lovely and did their best to help but the CT scanner was broken and even though they managed to fix it the only available neurologists were at the Royal London and despite repeated telephone calls from the Homerton they were backed up to the eyeballs and it was another 12 hours before someone qualified was available to look at our scans. As far as the figures are concerned however, we were seen by a doctor within an hour and a half, so that is a big tick that everything went okay. Of course all that junior doctor was qualified to do was fill out a form and tell us to wait until someone more senior was available. This was on a quiet and rainy Monday night. **** knows how bad it would have been if they had been busy.

I have been in constant pain ever since. Two broken vertebrae and three herniated discs make life surprisingly uncomfortable. I saw a consultant neurosurgeon in October who confirmed that I would need surgery. I haven't got a date yet but I am booked in for a follow up appointment in February so here's hoping (y).

Of course my injuries while debilitating and painful aren't life threatening. My best friend's condition was. He was due to go in to hospital last week but at the last minute he was told that his appointment had been cancelled and he would have to go in this week instead. I have just got off the phone after speaking to his daughter. He died last night. He was the kindest and most generous guy I have ever known and he died in his mid-fifties because he was unable to get a simple and routine procedure on the NHS when he needed it.

Another one off of the waiting list. That'll look good on the figures.

I'm not in a good place right now. If I meet anyone who tells me that the NHS is safe in Tory hands they'd better hope they have private health insurance because they are going to need it.
 

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From a football forum I know.


In August my wife and I were in a bad car accident. We both ended up with broken backs among other injuries. We spent 18 hours in A&E at Homerton hospital. The staff were lovely and did their best to help but the CT scanner was broken and even though they managed to fix it the only available neurologists were at the Royal London and despite repeated telephone calls from the Homerton they were backed up to the eyeballs and it was another 12 hours before someone qualified was available to look at our scans. As far as the figures are concerned however, we were seen by a doctor within an hour and a half, so that is a big tick that everything went okay. Of course all that junior doctor was qualified to do was fill out a form and tell us to wait until someone more senior was available. This was on a quiet and rainy Monday night. **** knows how bad it would have been if they had been busy.

I have been in constant pain ever since. Two broken vertebrae and three herniated discs make life surprisingly uncomfortable. I saw a consultant neurosurgeon in October who confirmed that I would need surgery. I haven't got a date yet but I am booked in for a follow up appointment in February so here's hoping (y).

Of course my injuries while debilitating and painful aren't life threatening. My best friend's condition was. He was due to go in to hospital last week but at the last minute he was told that his appointment had been cancelled and he would have to go in this week instead. I have just got off the phone after speaking to his daughter. He died last night. He was the kindest and most generous guy I have ever known and he died in his mid-fifties because he was unable to get a simple and routine procedure on the NHS when he needed it.

Another one off of the waiting list. That'll look good on the figures.

I'm not in a good place right now. If I meet anyone who tells me that the NHS is safe in Tory hands they'd better hope they have private health insurance because they are going to need it.
I have never said or inferred NHS is in safe hands under Tories,its main reason I, m voting Corbyn and I never thought I, d say that.
The NHS is simply way better than reported. Ofcourse there are areas requiring improving, more funding etc etc.
We should all only speak and report as we find it. Reporting people's grumbles and complaints does not take the actual situation into account.
Moaning about ailments is quite an event for many.
I have yet to experience or witness any poor treatment by NHS. Wonder how many complainants are chasing claims???
Pay outs for mal practise are one of NHS's biggest costs.????
And, by coincidence, I know quite a lot about spinal injuries. I broke 2 vertebrae, crushed and displaced the disc between them. Lost use of left arm for 3 months. My treatment was incredible from beginning (emergency at Scarboro hospital to treatment and follow up in Sheffield spinal injuries hospital to physio in Rotherham.
Think we should treat people and NHS as WE find them and not judge by second hand 3rd party reportings.
 
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NHS is struggling, needs more funding
the NHS needs around 6% increase a year to keep up with demand, more like 10% a year in the next 5 years to clear some of the backlog and bring it to the level of Thatcher's government.
Tories will not spend anywhere near the required level.
I would gladly pay 20%-25% of my care cost if I could get what I would get in France or Spain.
 

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What's worse for labour is that three out of the four have switched to voting conservative.
That would give the Tonies about 100 majority.
Few people would want to change side plus there is strong tactical voting.
I guess we'll see a hung parliament.
I reluctantly voted for Mr Corbyn by post.
 

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Instantly he reverted to the old Navajo Indian trick of hiding in a fridge

Corbyn's response
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/i-ve-not-come-here-to-hide-in-a-fridge-jeremy-corbyn-mocks-boris-johnson-at-rally-1-6419858
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I've not come here to hide in a fridge' - Jeremy Corbyn mocks Boris Johnson at rally
My eyes are not always as wonderful as they should be, and I thought that line was:

Boris Johnson hides in fridge on live TV while dogging

Which should have been ridiculous.
 
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