Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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thanks - 18C is just a little too cold for me. Caribbean is a bit pricey but I guess worth it. madeira isn't bad, but oddly morbid (rain as you say, dark volcanic beaches, dark mountains, petit bourgeoise types)
Couldnt agree more. Enjoyed Madeira but wont be coming back. Water definitely cooler than Caribbean. (but that has some benefits, I stood on scorpion fish in Aruba). Vietnam (Mui Ne) is worth a visit. Rather more of an experience than some might prefer but we really enjoyed it. Think we are going Jan or Feb.
 

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It appears the Tories are scared of making a mistake in the C4 debate. If they were to form the next government, would they even turn up?
 
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Ok everyone, let’s get Brexit over the line on Thursday. There’s an oven ready deal ready to go. A deal which will deliver tremendous new trade opportunities for the whole of the U.K.

Let’s get Brexit done in January, let’s get this thing over the line and then set about improving our health service with 40 new hospitals, thousands of doctors and even more nurses.

I have a question regarding the hospitals. My local hospital was built in 1990. It had 80 beds. Labour cut it to 20 in the Blair years, Conservatives have cut it to 14 since 2010, and they are currently planning to cut back to 10 beds. If they are going to build 40 new hospitals, why are they simultaneously cutting back at a fairly new hospital with with 70 beds mothballed?

If I was a cynical person, I’d be thinking that they have no intentions of investing in the NHS. However, Boris is a likeable, cuddly absent minded character, who appears to be a bit of a buffoon. I’m sure he won’t double cross those who vote for him.
 
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Ok everyone, let’s get Brexit over the line on Thursday. There’s an oven ready deal ready to go. A deal which will deliver tremendous new trade opportunities for the whole of the U.K.

Let’s get Brexit done in January, let’s get this thing over the line and then set about improving our health service with 40 new hospitals, thousands of doctors and even more nurses.

I have a question regarding the hospitals. My local hospital was built in 1990. It had 80 beds. Labour cut it to 20 in the Blair years, Conservatives have cut it to 14 since 2010, and they are currently planning to cut back to 10 beds. If they are going to build 40 new hospitals, why are they simultaneously cutting back at a fairly new hospital with with 70 beds mothballed?

If I was a cynical person, I’d be thinking that they have no intentions of investing in the NHS. However, Boris is a likeable, cuddly absent minded character, who appears to be a bit of a buffoon. I’m sure he won’t double cross those who vote for him.
Whats with the remoaner **** about hospitals? Dont you get it? It's about that big red bus and turkeys and Christmas and boris is a great guy. And mogg has real class. You're just sore because you lost. It's ok to be sore but you dont get to go on arguing!
 
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This is simply Zenophobia laid bare by the man with Turkish and French roots


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EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.

Election 2019: Boris Johnson vows end to migrants ‘treating Britain as their own’


EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.

Here is one woman's reaction
Brexitshambles Retweeted





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HOW BLOODY DARE YOU. You've been happy to take my taxes for over 30 years. Your country's citizens have been happy to have me as their (genuine) friend, (genuine) neighbour & (genuine) colleague. One of them has been happy to have me as his wife. Two of them as their mother.
 
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Here's Boris making a fool of himself as usual in Grimsby

Grimsby and Hull trawlers didn't operate in the local waters, they fished mainly where the fish still coming in came from, Icelandic waters.
Even worse than that gaffe
"He’s at Grimsby Fish Market. The 4th line of the market’s homepage proudly explains that its £1.2 million upgrade in 2012 was funded by the EU’s European Fisheries Fund. "

And there are people deranged enough to vote this dangerous loon back into power?
 

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Russia banned from international sports - including 2020 Olympics - for four years by World Anti-Doping Agency
pity that doesn't extend to the sport of Olympic class lying by Tory politicans
 

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uild 40 new hospitals, why are they simultaneously cutting back at a fairly new hospital with with 70 beds mothballed?
Same at my local PFI hospital - due to staff recruitment / retainment shortages many wards remain only semi-open. Also a certain percentage of a PFI hospital budget has to pay the 'mortage' instead of going towards funding staffing.
 
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This is simply Zenophobia laid bare by the man with Turkish and French roots


The Times
@thetimes


EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.

Election 2019: Boris Johnson vows end to migrants ‘treating Britain as their own’


EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.

Here is one woman's reaction
Brexitshambles Retweeted

Monique Hawkins
@monlouhawk

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HOW BLOODY DARE YOU. You've been happy to take my taxes for over 30 years. Your country's citizens have been happy to have me as their (genuine) friend, (genuine) neighbour & (genuine) colleague. One of them has been happy to have me as his wife. Two of them as their mother.
I wonder they've got some spare ferries to ship back all the 1.3 million British expats living and working in the EU if and when that's turned back against us.

Chatted to a Dutch friend living and working here for DHL International couriers and she's fearful and uncertain of her future here. Same for friends living in EU about what's in store short/med/long term...
 
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Same at my local PFI hospital - due to staff recruitment / retainment shortages many wards remain only semi-open. Also a certain percentage of a PFI hospital budget has to pay the 'mortage' instead of going towards funding staffing.
Unfortunately, it will be the same with Labour’s spending splurge. Very soon, a massive slice of the treasury revenue will be spent servicing the debt.

The reality is, lots of money needs spending, but income to the treasury doesn’t allow for it without piling up more debt with no plan to pay it off. So, the only credible and sustainable solution is to make people pay more into the treasury.

Making people pay more isn’t easy. You broadly have 5 types:

Type A: Those that earn well and can pay more.

Type B: Those that earn well, should be able to pay more, but spunk it all in cars, huge mortgages, holidays and treasure, so can’t pay more.

Type C: Those who can’t pay more because they are poor due to ill health, disability or having a crap job.

Type D: Those who earn well, but hide their money so they don’t have to pay more.

Type E: Those who are poor because they are idle and idiots.

The only exemptions from greater taxation should be Type Cs.

Personally, I’d have no issues with a tax increase to fund better services for all. However, I just know that Type As will take all of the hit because they are easy prey for the useless bastards that run the country. They would stand no chance of getting money out of any other group. It’s too difficult and they don’t have the talent to do it. It’s massively unfair and I won’t be voting for it.
 

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Just had an election communication through the door from Farage's Pension fund limited
For sheer brass he cant be beat!
We are standing against Labour and the Remain alliance across the country
Our aim is to stop the Remainers creeping into power and sneaking through a rigged second referendum to stop Brexit.
Bloody Hell!
He doesn't seem to care about two points
  1. The first Referendum (according to him) was rigged
  2. He's terrified of losing a second referendum because the leave side are likely to be prevented from rigging it
And another thing Leave promised we would not be leaving either the single market and the customs union, and her he is plugging not merely No deal, but a second referendum as a "plot"?
Please let someone representing this shower knock on my front door!
Is that too much to ask?
 
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Unfortunately, it will be the same with Labour’s spending splurge. Very soon, a massive slice of the treasury revenue will be spent servicing the debt.

The reality is, lots of money needs spending, but income to the treasury doesn’t allow for it without piling up more debt with no plan to pay it off. So, the only credible and sustainable solution is to make people pay more into the treasury.

Making people pay more isn’t easy. You broadly have 5 types:

Type A: Those that earn well and can pay more.

Type B: Those that earn well, should be able to pay more, but spunk it all in cars, huge mortgages, holidays and treasure, so can’t pay more.

Type C: Those who can’t pay more because they are poor due to ill health, disability or having a crap job.

Type D: Those who earn well, but hide their money so they don’t have to pay more.

Type E: Those who are poor because they are idle and idiots.

The only exemptions from greater taxation should be Type Cs.

Personally, I’d have no issues with a tax increase to fund better services for all. However, I just know that Type As will take the biggest hit because they are easy prey for the useless bastards that run the country. They would stand no chance of getting money out of any other group. It’s too difficult and they don’t have the talent to do it. It’s massively unfair and I won’t be voting for it.
All well and good, so what can you say in favour of Boris that doesn't require being kicked in the head to fall for?
Do you imagine his shower are going to do a better job?
And what can you offer as evidence that this isn't some mad attack of wishful thinking?
Indeed evidence that what they are proposing won't lead to civil unrest?
Remember you have to assume that regardless of how this election pans out, if he fouls up Brexit there will be hell to pay for all of us, as no matter what people vote for on Thursday it won't reflect the disappointment on both side of the fence between Remainers and Leavers when things turn out anything other than fine and dandy.

No change won't do, that is what fuelled Brexit in the first place, not the EU, that was an excuse.
And if it turns out badly doesn't bear thinking about.

I really don't want to see my predictions come true....but they are. precisely as anyone can see if they care to look and think.
Voting for the Conservatives makes you an accomplice in what follows, not a victim.
 
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Wicky

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Unfortunately, it will be the same with Labour’s spending splurge. Very soon, a massive slice of the treasury revenue will be spent servicing the debt.

The reality is, lots of money needs spending, but income to the treasury doesn’t allow for it without piling up more debt with no plan to pay it off. So, the only credible and sustainable solution is to make people pay more into the treasury.

Making people pay more isn’t easy. You broadly have 5 types:

Type A: Those that earn well and can pay more.

Type B: Those that earn well, should be able to pay more, but spunk it all in cars, huge mortgages, holidays and treasure, so can’t pay more.

Type C: Those who can’t pay more because they are poor due to ill health, disability or having a crap job.

Type D: Those who earn well, but hide their money so they don’t have to pay more.

Type E: Those who are poor because they are idle and idiots.

The only exemptions from greater taxation should be Type Cs.

Personally, I’d have no issues with a tax increase to fund better services for all. However, I just know that Type As will take the biggest hit because they are easy prey for the useless bastards that run the country. They would stand no chance of getting money out of any other group. It’s too difficult and they don’t have the talent to do it. It’s massively unfair and I won’t be voting for it.
Making valued doctors, nurses, health assistants and domestic staff from the UK feel unwelcome thus reducing staff numbers hasn't cost much so far to implement but it is impacting on hospital staffing levels (apart from the ongoing costs of Brexit preparations).

One completely incompetent NHS bureacratic dept that is surpassing targets is the NHS Business Services Authority, goodness know how much this dept costs to run, with buildings, managers, staff, pensions and puters - and I'm deaing with them now and after 15 emails back & forth I can only conclude that they should be obliterated off the face of the planet and staff from top to bottom reassigned to cleaning out bed pans as penance.

So far despite giving them the valid prescription prepayment certificate, my name, my dob and address they won't believe I am who I am and refuse to drop a £136 fine which came out the blue, and will likely end up in court if they can't get their act together.

Welcome to the future!

Would take it up with my local MP but he's a bit distracted bum licking Boris and prospective voters at the moment [/rant_over]

NHS fines for 1.7 million people overturned, watchdog ... - BBC

MPs 'staggered' by NHS fines 'complacency' - BBC News

MPs demand action over wrongly-issued NHS fines - BBC News

'Presumption of guilt’

Ms Hillier called on the Department of Health to change an "utterly confusing" fining regime, which at the moment operates on a "presumption of guilt”.

She said the NHS fining system had become a "dog's breakfast".'

'Vortex of bureaucracy’

Ms Hillier said that people wrongly accused of fraud faced "humiliation" and when they tried to overturn a fine they could find themselves caught up in a "vortex of bureaucracy”.

Extra checks

The Department for Health has promised to introduce an extra layer of checks - contacting people before they are fined to give them a chance to show they are exempt from paying for treatment. This is intended to filter out some of the wrongful fines.
 
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