Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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Farage pledges not to fight Tory held seats and to go after the Labour vote.

Not ideal, but if it keeps Labour out, there is some benefit to the plan.
I agree with you in this case but being able to manipulate system like this trully is an affront to democracy. We should all have same voting options in a GE, and votes tallied up with seats allocated accordingly. We could still have first past winning post forming government but beyond that PR. It would stop idiots like Farage holding balance of power.
We only agree with it as it is because we dont like Corbyn. Imagine ho we, d feel had Farage opted to only stand candidates in Tory held seats??? Its not on really.
He isnt standing candidates with any desire to win seats but purely to split vote in Labour held areas,leaving Tories unopposed in theirs. Our system stinks.
 
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Why is everyone getting a cock-stand about airlines “tankering”? It’s always happened and some people do it with their cars.

If they want to protest about pollution and climate change, they should get down to the local maternity unit and stop people squeezing out babies.

The removal of child benefits, free child care places and parent & child parking spaces would help the environment enormously too.
The problem is not in the Western world, where our ability to reproduce has been hampered by tight underware, late night movies and excessive beer. The problem is in the East, where they have discovered that cleaner food , elementary hygiene,and vaccination gives their young a fighting chance. Damn education!!. Its terrible when others get it.
 
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Danidl

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I agree with you in this case but being able to manipulate system like this trully is an affront to democracy. We should all have same voting options in a GE, and votes tallied up with seats allocated accordingly. We could still have first past winning post forming government but beyond that PR. It would stop idiots like Farage holding balance of power.
We only agree with it as it is because we dont like Corbyn. Imagine ho we, d feel had Farage opted to only stand candidates in Tory held seats??? Its not on really.
He isnt standing candidates with any desire to win seats but purely to split vote in Labour held areas,leaving Tories unopposed in theirs. Our system stinks.
Yes that system does stink. Multi seat constituencies,with PR would ensure that your Parliament reflects the will of the people. It would also create more compromise and coalitions. The best situation , although it might be difficult to do , is to have a single 640 seat constituency and everyone can vote by PR. Obviously the most popular people nationally would get elected first, but the trickle down would ensure that local politics would get represented by people opting to concentrate in specific localities. The current model of wards, and counties came about because at the time ,it was the best that could be arranged.
 
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Why is everyone getting a cock-stand about airlines “tankering”? It’s always happened and some people do it with their cars.
How much difference does it make to your fuel consumption filling your car according to forecourt prices rather than need?

Apparently 50 litres of petrol, I'll take that as being towards a tankful, weighs a bit over 38 kilograms. So of the order of half a person. My car is the best part of 1.2 tonnes of which, 38 kilograms represents around 3.2%.

I really don't know the impact of that. I suspect that there is at least as big an issue by people positively driving to a known cheaper forecourt. There are two Tesco forecourts not far from me. One about half a mile away, the other about 8 miles. The one that is further away is usually a penny or so less expensive. Obviously not worth going on purpose, but if I am near there, I do tend to fill up.
 

50Hertz

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The problem is not in the Western world, where our ability to reproduce has been hampered by tight underware, late night movies and excessive beer. The problem is in the East, where they have discovered that cleaner food , elementary hygiene,and vaccination gives their young a fighting chance. Damn education!!. Its terrible when others get it.
Oh dear, wrong again. Never mind, we are used to it. You should go on Mastermind with specialist subjects of getting things wrong and the bleeding obvious. You’d do very well. The population is rising not just in the east, but in the West as well.

People need to stop having as many babies and the more obstacles and difficulties governments can put in the way of having children, the greater the chance we have of reducing environmental damage. That’s the issue, anything else is niff-naff & trivia.
 

50Hertz

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Now why do you want that? Brexit will harm you more than they will
I don't know if that is true. Labour seem so utterly confused, unclear, unprepared and filled with Jew Hate that I think they may be more dangerous than Brexit. Don't get me wrong, Brexit will be a monumental disaster, but it will be a more entertaining type of monumental disaster than a Labour government disaster. I want value for my disasters.
 

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I don't know if that is true. Labour seem so utterly confused, unclear, unprepared and filled with Jew Hate that I think they may be more dangerous than Brexit.
they do seem so confused and unprepared, mostly because most of their front bench did not benefit from specialist training in some private schools, years of school debating but I don't buy that Jew hate thing though. It's quite clear that JC wants to take more money from the rich, as the latter is usually associated with high flying lawyers and investment bankers, so mud sticks.
 

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I hadn't considered this but the would be candidate is right
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Candidate calls in to James O'Brien after being dropped by the Brexit Party
After Nigel Farage announced that the Brexit Party would not be standing candidates in constituencies currently held by Conservatives, one dropped candidate called into James O'Brien.
lbc.co.uk


His point was that he had been contacted by many supporters angry that no one is now standing for a "No deal Brexit"
And on the face of it that is exactly what has happened
 
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I don't know if that is true. Labour seem so utterly confused, unclear, unprepared and filled with Jew Hate that I think they may be more dangerous than Brexit. Don't get me wrong, Brexit will be a monumental disaster, but it will be a more entertaining type of monumental disaster than a Labour government disaster. I want value for my disasters.
What is all this "Jew Hate"? and why is it any worse than Boris and his anti Islamic ravings?
Neither of them are really significant compared to what is at stake, they are both diversions.
The press have certainly made you view what are equally incompetent parties in the way they want haven't they?
The BBC had to cover up for Boris being unable to even get a wreath the right way up today.
 
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50Hertz

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they do seem so confused and unprepared, mostly because most of their front bench did not benefit from specialist training in some private schools, years of school debating but I don't buy that Jew hate thing though. It's quite clear that JC wants to take more money from the rich, as the latter is usually associated with high flying lawyers and investment bankers, so mud sticks.
Lack of private school education and practice in debating has nothing to do with sending out a clear message regarding what you stand for and what you represent. That’s dead easy, you just say it. There was a Labour idiot on BBC2, totally clueless regarding how the re-nationalisation will work. Not a clue.

Labour recruit based on gender, skin colour, gender and sexual orientation more than any other organisation on earth.They have no interest in ability and that’s why they are the hideous mess they are.
 
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That’s dead easy, you just say it.
their message is clear: no hard brexit!
that nobody listens is simply the result of the divisive aspect of any referendum.
People are forced into just two tribes. Any party which tries to occupy the middle ground will soon find out to their cost.
 

50Hertz

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their message is clear: no hard brexit!
that nobody listens is simply the result of the divisive aspect of any referendum.
People are forced into just two tribes. Any party which tries to occupy the middle ground will soon find out to their cost.
Labour are anything but clear.

They are going to renegotiate a Brexit deal with an EU that is adamant that it won’t renegotiate. Once they’ve not renegotiated a deal, they will put it to a referendum and campaign against it. What?

They are going to spend tens of billions on a nuclear deterrent that they have stated, very clearly, that they will never use. Uh?

They are going to renationalise certain industries but have no clue how to pay the bill. They have no concept of a plan, cash, loans, government bonds, nothing. WTF?

Then there’s the Jew issues.
 
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flecc

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Labour recruit based on gender, skin colour, gender and sexual orientation more than any other organisation on earth.
In other words, fairly representing our population. All creeds, colours and sexual orientations, some very bright and some as thick as two short planks.

Proving once again the maxim that we get the politicians we deserve.
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flecc

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Then there’s the Jew issues.
There are no Jew issues, they are a fabrication, and if you weren't too young you'd know better from history.

Post WW2 their appalling experience at the hands of the right wing Nazis meant all European Jews were solidly socialist and Labour voting. Israel when formed was equally solidly Labour/Socialist biased politically, no self respecting Jew there at the time voting for any hint of the right wing.

Labour really value the important Jewish vote.

With the Jewish people being so capable and influential this has always upset the Tories, and that is what inspired their myth of Labour anti semitism. It's the old Goebbels strategy of repeating a lie often enough that people in the end believe it, and it's certainly worked on you and many others. Of course the intention is to deny Labour the Jewish vote and win it for themselves, though for today's oldest Jews that will never succeed.
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50Hertz

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In other words, fairly representing our population. All creeds, colours and sexual orientations, some very bright and some as thick as two short planks.

Proving once again the maxim that we get the politicians we deserve.
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We need the best minds and the best ability, not the best mix of irrelevant things. It doesn’t matter if they all come from a single group.
 

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