Brexit, for once some facts.
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I did. It was relevant and pertinent to thread. We should all make sacrifices.
Of what? why should I sacrifice anything, this mess is not of my making.
And there we have it in a nutshell.
You are batshit crazy.
You change your mind more often than Elton John does glasses.
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Zlatan you are not making any sense, how are you now under the impression I have changed my mind about anything? name something.
I have been consistent, which is not something you can ever claim.
For example which side are you currently on?
Zlatan, you are being unfair on JC.. he has stated again and again that he wants a GE . He has also stated the condition under which he will agree. That is actually decisive. Now As I stated, I would like the EU to make a referendum the condition for an extension. They still might. Todays statement from the EU was in the nature of a holding pattern.
Part of the endemic problem is the UKs single seat, first past the post election system. It basically disenfranchises 49% of the population. Even multiple seat constituencies would give a fairer representation.
Wrong again. Read the post and look who wrote it. You attribute everything to me.
Not quite Danidl. He was saying he wanted a GE, he isnt now according to what he said this morning, and repeated by Abott on other chanel.
His condition, or one of them, is irrelevant to argument and beyond BJ's control. ie) Removing no deal from table. Only EU can do that.
His conditions should be his manifesto pledges for election. That's how its supposed to work. (ie. If I win I will remove no deal from table or negotiate a new deal)
Giving conditions is simply telling opposition you expect to lose so want to buy certain things with the loss. Its normal negativity from JC. He should go. Get Blair and Campbell back. They have the nounce to fight Cummings and Boris. JC is in a battle he is simply not equipped to fight.
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Corbyn is a fool.
If he wanted to the single easiest thing he could do is pass Johnsons bill on the agreement of a confirmatory referendum.
All SNP, 95% Labour, all Lib Dems 35% of Tories and the rest would back him.
He would save face by saying this is now the deal. We have fought long and hard and this is the best we will get from the EU. It is now fair to ask is this what you want? It really isn't going to change.
His utter nonsense of custom alignment and other such non leaving measures are now pie in the sky. This is the deal.
It's not a second ref, it's not a peoples vote its do you want this deal.
Yes or No.
If it's no.
Then we have a G.E. Parties can then decide where they are. Labour say no deal is off the table so they are campaigning to stay in.
The Tories can go on no deal with the Brexit party.
This is a way forward that saves face for everyone.
Good post. At last some sense. Realistic, possible and not hypothetical. It seems the logical way forward but that seems too much to ask of politicians.
It is germane to the argument. Now the EU has said it will offer an extension, that bit is off the agenda. I expect the EU are waiting for the Scottish Court before proceeding.
Now the sequence has to be .
1. The UK asks for extension.. CHECK
2. The EU considers the request ...CHECK
3. The UK and EU agree in discussion the duration and role and conditions ...NOT CHECKED
4. The Ambassador to the EU signs on behalf of the UK,and with executive agreement of the PM
5. The UK Parliament modifies the Exit Day provision by voting
6. The Circus resumes
Since we are now one week away from Crashout , it remains a very real possibility. Since we are now at point 3. on the schedule. The fact that the PM has not actually signed a letter agreeing to an extension post October ,becomes a legal fact.
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Interesting that you never responded to my earlier post about sacrificing new borns... Seriously a 110 page Act needs scrutiny. Its not the EUs offer which is in difficulty, it is the bits included or omitted in the UKs Act which need scrutiny.
Now the HoC accepted in PRINCIPLE the WAB, so why not give them the time to scrutinise it?.
It is evident that there is no trust between the current PM, substantial numbers of his own party, and zero trust with the opposite parties.
You're still on this!
That court is irrelevant and has been ever since the EU accepted Johnson's missive as I said they would. They know it and it's probably why they deferred their judgement.
It doesn't matter what they find, if the EU grant an extension as they will, it's fait accompli whether the Scottish Court approve or not.
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Nor should you, so I made a mistake sending it to the wrong person, it happens.
This is how Fascism starts
A Parliament "that has outlived it's usefulness"
Not for you to decide Boris, you don't have a mandate or majority and your bill contains lots of clauses intending to give dictatorial powers to dangerous loonies like you to rule by fiat.
A Parliament "that has outlived it's usefulness"
Not for you to decide Boris, you don't have a mandate or majority and your bill contains lots of clauses intending to give dictatorial powers to dangerous loonies like you to rule by fiat.
Yes it does but only to you and more an more often.
You are ranting about fascism above I see.
Its like when you go to the zoo and watch in grim fascination at monkeys flinging poo at each other
I am still on this because it still has relevance. The EU has said they are in principle prepared to offer an extension. But who accepts the extension on behalf of the UK?. Post #65513 is relevant.You're still on this!
That court is irrelevant and has been ever since the EU accepted Johnson's missive as I said they would. They know it and it's probably why they deferred their judgement.
It doesn't matter what they find, if the EU grant an extension as they will, it's fait accompli whether the Scottish Court approve or not.
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The UK EU ambassador signs under the instruction of the PM.. presumably. It is an executive function not a legislative one.