Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html

"Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco

Billionaire said Britain would be 'perfectly successful' outside of the EU, but is now opting to leave"


Doesn't he have faith in Boris to protect his Tax free money from the EU?

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Financial Times
"The UK government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week. "

Now there's a surprise! after all the option appears in the small print of the WA Boris "negotiated"

 

[oldgroaner]

They appear to have lost the plot in the Daily Mail
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Emmanuel Macron 'will refuse an extension and accept No Deal Brexit in five days unless Jeremy Corbyn agrees to a general election or MPs back Boris Johnson's deal'

Er, hang on, are you saying that the fate of Brexit defends on some "Johnny Foreigner"?
What happened to taking back control from the EU?
This is descending into Slapstick.

And Boris's Lie of the Day is exposed
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Downing Street makes embarrassing U-turn on plans for a Government 'strike' if Jeremy Corbyn fails to support a general election admitting it will continue its 'ambitious domestic agenda' hours after threatening to bring Parliament to a halt

Well, no one in their right mind expects anything to happen when Boris starts lying do they?

 

[Woosh]

Ok. The EU are nothing if not polite. They would not a acceeded to a request or offered an extension without being asked. It would logically be seen as bullying. They would of course had anticipated this and had their position organised.
The Scottish case is still pending,having been reopened last Monday. The only relevance is that the EU would also not seek to interfere with ongoing judicial actions. I suspect that the EU delayed as long as they could.
Now while both you and Woosh have said things, does not unfortunately make them true. Indeed ,I must confess, even when I say them, they are not universally true either.. difficult as it might be to admit it.
But this is uncharted territory. What would be the response of a court to a challenge by BJ to the usurpation of his PM function..which is Executive, by the Speaker ,who is Legislative,, or by a Judge which is judicial.

The true situation is that by Monday next,there will not be a decision and we are still on course for a Crashout four days later.

the EU's position of wait and see is understandable.
They don't have to give an immediate answer which will upset one side or the other.
Macron is a bit hot headed and opportunistic. He's bluffing.

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder why Boris thinks a general election will solve his problems?
Remember the 2017 general election? It resulted in a hung parliament which created another Brexit impasse.
Why should this be any different?

 

[daveboy]

I wonder why Boris thinks a general election will solve his problems?
Remember the 2017 general election? It resulted in a hung parliament which created another Brexit impasse.
Why should this be any different?

Pact with Brexit party ????? Yes I know he said he wouldn't but he has been known to change his mind.

 

[oyster]

I wonder why Boris thinks a general election will solve his problems?
Remember the 2017 general election? It resulted in a hung parliament which created another Brexit impasse.
Why should this be any different?

The obvious answer is that he thinks the tories will get a majority. Unfortunately, labour seems to be at least perceived as making that very likely.

My own difficulty is that I cannot vote tory, have great difficulty in voting labour without them actually being against brexit (even if their intended version of brexit might be slightly more palatable), and suspect LibDem/PC will be a distant third. I absolutely do not want tories to win but voting LibDem/PC might allow that.

A GE doesn't appear to offer any way of converting my vote into an expression of opinion which will carry any weight at Westminster. And am absolutely sure that issue applies to vast numbers of us.

My biggest vain hope is that someone splits the vote and ensures BJ doesn't get re-elected. It would be a start.

 

[Woosh]

I wonder why Boris thinks a general election will solve his problems?
Remember the 2017 general election? It resulted in a hung parliament which created another Brexit impasse.
Why should this be any different?

Bojo likes to be the action man, full of 'can do' attitude.
So far, all he's done proves that he is clumsy, politcally cackhanded.
it's JC who's got the better hand.
JC knows he has upset many of his own MPs because he tries to hold on to an ever diminishing share of Labour leaning brexit voters. He needs proofs that Bojo is no more than hot air to convince them (Labour leaning brexit voters) to stick with Labour at the next GE.

 

[oldgroaner]

Pact with Brexit party ????? Yes I know he said he wouldn't but he has been known to change his mind.

That could win him the election, but afterwards he would find them one hell of a millstone round his neck!
There are some real weirdo characters among them, even by Conservative standards.

Talk about JC not being able to make his mind up, try finding the Brexit parties manifesto!

The Brexit party is the Ultimate expression of "One Man one Vote"
And it's future policies whatever takes his fancy at the time

 

[daveboy]

That could win him the election, but afterwards he would find them one hell of a millstone round his neck!
There are some real weirdo characters among them, even by Conservative standards.

Worse than the DUP ??

 

[oldgroaner]

Worse than the DUP ??

Is that possible? after all the BXP speaks with only one voice , and he's as erratic as Boris, but I take your point, I shouldn't refer to that party as "them" when more accurately "him" is the correct description.

 

[daveboy]

That could win him the election, but afterwards he would find them one hell of a millstone round his neck!

Boris would literally walk around with a millstone around his neck if it kept him as PM.

 

[oldgroaner]

The FT comment

I did point that out when I read the agreement, nice to have it confirmed.

 

[Woosh]

That could win him the election, but afterwards he would find them one hell of a millstone round his neck!

the fight in the last 3 years is all about taking the UK out of the EU without a deal, thus the UK will be more pressed into negotiating an immediate trade deal with the USA.
If Bojo agrees, the BXP will take on Labour MPs where they think they can win without challenge from the conservatives. If that happens, Labour will lose some seats but the conservatives will still lack an overall majority.
They will then be forced into forming a coalition government with the BXP and their price will be a 'clean break' with the EU when the implementation period expires.
I reckon JC will insist that the date of the GE won't be decided until Bojo brings back his WAB and all the amendments are voted on.

 

[Woosh]

 

[flecc]

My own difficulty is that I cannot vote tory, have great difficulty in voting labour without them actually being against brexit

But voting Labour would be a tactical vote, helping to prevent a Tory win while very unlikely to give Labour an overall majority. At best Labour could only get into power with others helping while restraining them.
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[flecc]

Worse than the DUP ??

Ah, the Dreadful Unlikely Party.
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[oyster]

But voting Labour would be a tactical vote, helping to prevent a Tory win while very unlikely to give Labour an overall majority. At best Labour could only get into power with others helping while restraining them.
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Wouldn't take many extra labour votes to beat Crabb.

	Conservative	Stephen Crabb	18,302	43.4	+3.0
	Labour	Philippa Thompson	17,988	42.6	+14.5

 

[flecc]

"The UK government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week. "

There's never been a level playing field and we've never converged.

For example with the EU working time directive average, we negotiated 48 hours for the UK while the mainland EU countries mainly accepted 35 hours.
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[flecc]

Wouldn't take many extra labour votes to beat Crabb.

	Conservative	Stephen Crabb	18,302	43.4	+3.0
	Labour	Philippa Thompson	17,988	42.6	+14.5

I was speaking nationally of course, marginals can be different.
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