Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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ITN ComRes poll for Channel 5 brexit debate last night:

remain: 42
leave with a deal: 30
no deal: 20%
don't know: 8

If a second referendum is called, then no deal wouldn't make it to the final.
My guess is Bojo's deal would win.
 

oldgroaner

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American Diplomacy at it's finest, the model our own PM follows



Apparently it has been confirmed by the White House.
 

oldgroaner

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ITN ComRes poll for Channel 5 brexit debate last night:

remain: 42
leave with a deal: 30
no deal: 20%
don't know: 8

If a second referendum is called, then no deal wouldn't make it to the final.
My guess is Bojo's deal would win.
I assume you mean as an option?
 

Woosh

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I assume you mean as an option?
I assume that Bojo can't get enough MPs on his own, he will need at least 30 Labour MPs and their price will be a second referendum whereby the weakest choice will be eliminated first leaving just the top two choices. A majority of those who support WTO may want to support Bojo's deal in the second round.
 

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Breaking News.... Boris has agreed a deal with the EU...…..but can he get it past the HOC ???
I reckon he'll have to accept a second referendum.
 

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apparently, the implementation period extends to end of 2020 then may be extended for 2 more years if the UK asks for it.
I bet if we leave on Bojo's deal, we'll be still implementing it in 2023.
 

oldgroaner

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apparently, the implementation period extends to end of 2020 then may be extended for 2 more years if the UK asks for it.
I bet if we leave on Bojo's deal, we'll be still implementing it in 2023.
Have I got to cancel the Brexit party on the 31st then? or should I just change it to a wake? :rolleyes:
 
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Woosh

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Have I got to cancel the Brexit party on the 31st then? or should I just change it to a wake? :rolleyes:
cancel that brexit party. We are not leaving this month.
Earliest possible leaving date is 31st December but I don't even think it's likely.
More likely is a second referendum then general election then brexit into transition.
By then end of the transition, people may be thoroughly fed up, ready for a new government to call the whole thing off.
 
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oldgroaner

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Reading through these are interesting
7. The future relationship should incorporate the United Kingdom's continued commitment to respect the framework of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), while the Union and its Member States will remain bound by the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which reaffirms the rights as they result in particular from the ECHR.

XII. FISHING OPPORTUNITIES 71. The Parties should cooperate bilaterally and internationally to ensure fishing at sustainable levels, promote resource conservation, and foster a clean, healthy and productive marine environment, noting that the United Kingdom will be an independent coastal state. 72. While preserving regulatory autonomy, the Parties should cooperate on the development of measures for the conservation, rational management and regulation of fisheries, in a nondiscriminatory manner. They will work closely with other coastal states and in international fora, including to manage shared stocks. 73. Within the context of the overall economic partnership the Parties should establish a new fisheries agreement on, inter alia, access to waters and quota shares. 74. The Parties will use their best endeavours to conclude and ratify their new fisheries agreement by 1 July 2020 in order for it to be in place in time to be used for determining fishing opportunities for the first year after the transition period

And this
"The Parties should in particular maintain a robust and comprehensive framework for competition and state aid control that prevents undue distortion of trade and competition; commit to the principles of good governance in the area of taxation and to the curbing of harmful tax practices; "

That won't go down well!
 
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oldgroaner

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cancel that brexit party. We are not leaving this month.
Earliest possible leaving date is 31st December but I don't even think it's likely.
More likely is a second referendum then general election then brexit into transition.
By then end of the transition, people may be thoroughly fed up, ready for a new government to call the whole thing off.
There will be another referendum that kills it before that.
 

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It will only go through with a confirmatory vote and then we will get days and days of what the question will be.

Deal or no deal.

Deal or remain.

I suspect he will try and get a G.E first.

The whole sorry saga rumbles on.
 
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flecc

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In all the talk of Bojo having made a new deal, they've been keeping very quiet about the EU's £39 billions.

My guess is that the bulk of this "new deal" is still May's deal, including what we pay.
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flecc

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Deal or no deal.

Deal or remain.

I suspect he will try and get a G.E first.
I'm sure you are right, since he'll be desperate to avoid the confirmatory question which would almost certainly be Deal or Remain. Any mention of No Deal just won't get through the House.
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50Hertz

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So, if I am reading this right, this "new deal" proposes a border in the Irish Sea, which is exactly what the EU originally offered Theresa May, but she rejected it out of hand. This is the same border deal in the Irish Sea which Boris Johnson said in November 2018, must never and could never be allowed to happen by any Conservative government. So this deal that Johnson said could never and must never be allowed to happen, is the deal that he has negotiated and now wants to make happen?

Why do people want to hand more power and control to these fuckwits by leaving the EU? It is totally unbelievable.
 

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