Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Just look in here flecc over the past 3 years our stances have hardly changed a jot. We are all quite set in our ways.

But we are the small minority of "enthusiasts" who discuss it. It's just like the pedelec forum, where those in here talking about e-bikes are a tiny fraction of actual pedelec owners. The bulk of the population will never enter here to discuss Brexit, they are sick of the subject.

They are the majority who knew little or nothing about the subject and followed what they were told by the most convincing side, and that it's generally agreed were the Brexit campaign.

If I want a drivers car I, ll buy a Caterham no matter how many times BMW tell me to buy an M whatever.

Absolutely.
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[Danidl]

However, discovering (say) that bovril is made from regurgitated bat droppings and guaranteed to cause melanomas might, I imagine, affect you? It's why I think a hard cliff edge brexit under the "leadership" of cummings could be good thing.

Well is it can do those things Bovril is wonderful ..Those melanomas must be just like melons, and I love melons.. If I pour it on my apple trees, will I get melons?. .. not to hot about Bat droppings, so maybe I'll try Ovaltine... And just use the Bovril on my plants

 

[Danidl]

Think it was more to do with banning smoking in various places and the change in society slowly seeing smoking as unacceptable. Dont think the vast majority of us are actually influenced by adverts etc, in my case makes me averse to the product being pushed. But I agree, the floating voters might well be influenced.
The recent ads for BMW (least drivers car ever built), Mercedes and Jaguar have I suspect pushed folk to Audi.
Ferrari never advertise, except on track. Which is not what we are talking about.
With the pro EU, anti EU argument I suspect we either agree with the BS we are fed are say to ourselves "utter rubbish". Just look in here flecc over the past 3 years our stances have hardly changed a jot. We are all quite set in our ways.
If I want a drivers car I, ll buy a Caterham no matter how many times BMW tell me to buy an M whatever.

People stop smoking not because they watched an advert. One day they wake up and think"I, m mortal, my parents, relatives, etc died from???? Time to stop"
Actually think vast majority are now immune to ad campaigns. There's so many.
You really think a 30 second advert on tele will have more affect on a smoker than him/her watching father/mother die of lung cancer with doctor saying it was caused by smoking. I dont think so.
There has been a gradual awakening of smoking and its effects, previous generations knew but ignored it. Times have changed. Its not down to adverts.

Everything you say in this post is true(well I am taking the car lingo at face value as I am no petrol head ), but..but.. you are not the target audience for every add, and in many cases its the neat product placement that gets one. And we are exactly talking about Ferraris on racetracks, and Porsche labelled computer disk drives and Tag Uhr doing the timing for the Rugby..Its making those labels more desirable and retaining brand identity. And Ferrari do advertise. Keyrings, scale models, even watches with their logos and colour schemes..they are just less crass about it.

 

[50Hertz]

Sajid Javid, in his finest squeaky voice, has promised tax cuts and a cut in interest rates. Woohoo!!!! Hang on a minute, interest rates are already low, so what’s he going to do, pay people to be in debt? And how is he going to fund the tax cuts? He’s got to pay Boris to build 40 hospitals and do £40 Billions worth of pot-hole filling. I smell a rat here.

 

[flecc]

I smell a rat here.

A whole colony of rats.
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[Wicky]

I suspect folk had made their minds up years before vote. Campaigns counted for nothing.

Leave campaign heavily targeted undecided voters... remember the dodgy Cambridge Analytica data harvesting aspect.

"But, as Brexit: the Uncivil War demonstrates, his (Cummings) masterstroke was pioneering a completely new kind of campaign. Drawing on state-of-the-art data analytics, he discovered that there were three million disillusioned voters who were not registered to any political party.

In the drama, Cummings bombards them with one billion targeted pro-Leave online advertisements during the campaign. These previously undetected voters may well have helped tip the referendum in favour of Brexit."

Benedict Cumberbatch says new Brexit TV drama ‘reveals and unearths’

The Sherlock star and writer James Graham talk to James Rampton on the set of Channel 4's controversial drama about the EU Referendum. ‘I wanted to play devil's advocate,’ says the political playwright

www.independent.co.uk

"records that showed how, between June and August 2014, the profiles of more than 50 million Facebook users had been harvested. Most damning of all, he had a letter from Facebook’s own lawyers admitting that Cambridge Analytica had acquired the data illegitimately." https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

 

[oldgroaner]

You make good points and likewiae I agree with some of them. As for some starting anti EU rhetoric years agothe pro EU have been doing exactly same and unfortunately much of the points made on both sides are untrue some of it is correct.
The EU is far from perfect, it is not a panecea to cure all. I thought its imperfections far worse than our own. Now I, m not so convinced. Its just been promoted in my mind to the lesser of 2 evils. Its not that the EU is good at particulary anything (all my grievences listed before, so I, m not going there again) it simply appears better than our shambolic representation of a democratic government. Thats hardly an endorsement at the moment.
Would you really trust your kids life to any of the idiots we see leading our country now? Or even any who might. I wouldnt let any of them navigate a yacht accross a harbour, let alone over an ocean.
It has put our archaic system under the spotlight, unfortunately it melted with the heat.
Seems we started a race to the bottom a few years ago. Cameron should be arrested.
The confrontational approach adopted by many, some on here, the insults, the threats, the put downs should have no place in any society. Unfortunately its becoming worse in the population at large.I, m getting rather more concerned about this aspect. Think we on here have learnt when and who to ignore.
Lets hope its the one good thing our society can show the world. We have not yet resorted to violence and riots etc. The extremists using provocative language from either side should be criticised by all.

There are some good points in this post, but really this is something I have to pick you up on.

"The confrontational approach adopted by many, some on here, the insults, the threats, the put downs should have no place in any society. Unfortunately its becoming worse in the population at large.I, m getting rather more concerned about this aspect. Think we on here have learnt when and who to ignore.

You have harped on about this from the first time you came on, and despite that employed just as many insults as anyone else, including myself
If you require proof of that I an easily provide chapter and verse by posting some of your past quotes.
Please give up with this holier than thou rubbish; you are neither better nor worse than anyone else on here.
If it bothers you so much you could always try setting an example.
Both Woosh and flecc do that, I don't, but then I don't squeal like an outraged vicar either

 

[Wicky]

 

[oldgroaner]

Sajid Javid, in his finest squeaky voice, has promised tax cuts and a cut in interest rates. Woohoo!!!! Hang on a minute, interest rates are already low, so what’s he going to do, pay people to be in debt? And how is he going to fund the tax cuts? He’s got to pay Boris to build 40 hospitals and do £40 Billions worth of pot-hole filling. I smell a rat here.

No, no , no, that's the fragrance from a Conservative Party Conference, the rats left in protest when they heard they were coming.

 

[oldgroaner]

This is an old clip from 2015... Fake news.................

 

[oldgroaner]

Leave campaign heavily targeted undecided voters... remember the dodgy Cambridge Analytica data harvesting aspect.

"But, as Brexit: the Uncivil War demonstrates, his (Cummings) masterstroke was pioneering a completely new kind of campaign. Drawing on state-of-the-art data analytics, he discovered that there were three million disillusioned voters who were not registered to any political party.

In the drama, Cummings bombards them with one billion targeted pro-Leave online advertisements during the campaign. These previously undetected voters may well have helped tip the referendum in favour of Brexit."

Benedict Cumberbatch says new Brexit TV drama ‘reveals and unearths’

The Sherlock star and writer James Graham talk to James Rampton on the set of Channel 4's controversial drama about the EU Referendum. ‘I wanted to play devil's advocate,’ says the political playwright

www.independent.co.uk

"records that showed how, between June and August 2014, the profiles of more than 50 million Facebook users had been harvested. Most damning of all, he had a letter from Facebook’s own lawyers admitting that Cambridge Analytica had acquired the data illegitimately." https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

Nothing to see here move along........ and get this elephant out of the room, it's crapping on the carpet...................

 

[oldgroaner]

A whole colony of rats.
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You can't call Conservatives smelly!

 

[Zlatan]

There are some good points in this post, but really this is something I have to pick you up on.

"The confrontational approach adopted by many, some on here, the insults, the threats, the put downs should have no place in any society. Unfortunately its becoming worse in the population at large.I, m getting rather more concerned about this aspect. Think we on here have learnt when and who to ignore.

You have harped on about this from the first time you came on, and despite that employed just as many insults as anyone else, including myself
If you require proof of that I an easily provide chapter and verse by posting some of your past quotes.
Please give up with this holier than thou rubbish; you are neither better nor worse than anyone else on here.
If it bothers you so much you could always try setting an example.
Both Woosh and flecc do that, I don't, but then I don't squeal like an outraged vicar either

Actually OG I wasnt in the slightest referring to you, much as we, ve argued and insulted each other I dont think the type of language we have employed would incite violence or extreme reactions.
But perhaps it is time we were all rather more restrained, irrespective of what has gone before.

 

[oldgroaner]

Actually OG I wasnt in the slightest referring to you, much as we, ve argued and insulted each other I dont think the type of language we have employed would incite violence or extreme reactions.
But perhaps it is time we were all rather more restrained, irrespective of what has gone before.

I can't argue with that

 

[Wicky]

This is an old clip from 2015... Fake news.................

?? Why is it Fake News when it's titled "Video: David Lammy shares clip of Boris pelted with balls at 2015 conference"

Didn't it happen in 2015?

 

[flecc]

But perhaps it is time we were all rather more restrained, irrespective of what has gone before.

Definitely, we could take a cue from the House of Commons language before brexit made it lose its marbles.

"You are lying" becomes:

"That is not my recollection of the events."

or:

"Perhaps the Esteemed Member could consider whether his view is an inexactitude?"
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[Fingers]

 

[Fingers]

 

[oldgroaner]

Definitely, we could take a cue from the House of Commons language before brexit made it lose its marbles.

"You are lying" becomes:

"That is not my recollection of the events."

or:

"Perhaps the Esteemed Member could consider whether his view is an inexactitude?"
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Or
"I recommend sex and travel?"

 

[flecc]

Or
"I recommend sex and travel?"

The intelligent would of course understand the hidden insults.

But of course there's a problem with one of mine too.

When referred to as the Esteemed Member they might think they're being called a prick.
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