Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Yet here we are.

Because they won't accept the only deal possible.

A sensible course to break the impasse would be to accept the deal, get on with the trade talks and then in the future work to further detach ourselves as a matter of policy. That's perfectly possible step by step over time through the legislature.
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[Wicky]

Yet here we are.

And you still believe their promises / suggestions after all these years

 

[Woosh]

fingers, the EU is a trade fortress, not the wild West.
Any deal with the EU means no cut down standard, no unfair competition with low tax, state aid or deregulation.

 

[Fingers]

fingers, the EU is a trade fortress, not the wild West.
Any deal with the EU means no cut down standard, no unfair competition with low tax, state aid or deregulation.

It’s a cabal. The ultimate capitalist cabal.

Not my bag man.

We’ve taken it as far as we can go without joining the Euro imo.

Just the thought of us leaving has seen house prices drop for ordinary people and jobs surge.

What will happen if we do leave under a sensible government?

Idk. But I’d like to take a look.

Edit. Only 6% of uk companies actually trade with the EU.

 

[oyster]

The Liberal Democrats are set to officially back revoking article 50 in an attempt to position themselves as the most pro-EU political party.


The move would effectively sever the chances of an alliance with Labour at a forthcoming general election.


The Lib Dem leader, Jo Swinson, said she would support the cancellation of Brexit, and the party expected to adopt this policy and write it into its election manifesto.


“I relish the chance to take the fight to Boris Johnson in an election and I’m confident we’d make significant gains,” said Swinson, who was elected as the party’s first female leader in July.

 

[50Hertz]

The Liberal Democrats are set to officially back revoking article 50 in an attempt to position themselves as the most pro-EU political party.


The move would effectively sever the chances of an alliance with Labour at a forthcoming general election.


The Lib Dem leader, Jo Swinson, said she would support the cancellation of Brexit, and the party expected to adopt this policy and write it into its election manifesto.


“I relish the chance to take the fight to Boris Johnson in an election and I’m confident we’d make significant gains,” said Swinson, who was elected as the party’s first female leader in July.

I think that clear unambiguous stance will win them votes.

 

[Danidl]

Unfortunately the remainists have got themselves in such a tizzy there doesn’t seem to be much middle ground. Same with the frothers on the leave.

You have folks on the remain side in the middle who want to respect democracy and folks on the leave side who genuinely think they have made a mistake.

The best course of action would have to come from the EU and offer some reform. Some change. However small. And that would allow a sec9nd referendum being 9ffered where no one loses face.

Unfortunately the EU isn’t that benevolent. One of the reasons I voted out incidentally. And the EU would rather us leave and make an example of us to any other waverers.

Replace the word" benevolent " with "simple minded " and you might have a point. At some stage perhaps the penny will drop that the EU is not about you or your face saving ,it is about the largest democratic organisation in the world operating in an orderly manner... By you I do not mean to be personal, but to include perhaps 17.4 million.

 

[Danidl]

It’s a cabal. The ultimate capitalist cabal.

Not my bag man.

We’ve taken it as far as we can go without joining the Euro imo.

Just the thought of us leaving has seen house prices drop for ordinary people and jobs surge.

What will happen if we do leave under a sensible government?

Idk. But I’d like to take a look.

Edit. Only 6% of uk companies actually trade with the EU.

Virtually all British companies trade with the EU, including the corner shop selling kebabs to Britons..they are all currently EU citizens.

 

[Fingers]

Virtually all British companies trade with the EU, including the corner shop selling kebabs to Britons..they are all currently EU citizens.

Lol. You bumpkin.

Corner shops selling kebabs.

Get back in your cart.

 

[Fingers]

I think that clear unambiguous stance will win them votes.

And gift the keys of number 10 to Johnson.

The Lib Dem’s are denser than Gerald on a good day.

 

[Fingers]

If anything sums up how you people are being taken for a ride it’s Nicky Morgan.

One of your heroes. One of the biggest ever remainists. And where is she now?

Sitting next to Johnson on the front bench. Screaming at Corbyn.

Deary me.

It’s a sham. You are being taken for a ride.

 

[Danidl]

Lol. You bumpkin.

Corner shops selling kebabs.

Get back in your cart.

Why is there some law that the kebab vendor must occupy a middle shop?. It must be one if those obscure EU laws then,you know the ones your hero BJ used to waffle about!

 

[Fingers]

Why is there some law that the kebab vendor must occupy a middle shop?. It must be one if those obscure EU laws then,you know the ones your hero BJ used to waffle about!

It was just amusing you conflated corner shops and kebab shops as the same. The two stereotypical ones. The two shops bumpkins confuse cos they’re foreigners innit.

And yes. Actually. There is a law, a local council law that says a takeaway needs a special permit to occupy a corner. It goes back to King Arthur and the selling of whelks. The French realised that if they occupied a corner residence it afforded them two exits/entrances. It made their purveyors of snails a speedier consumer experience to their patrons. And gave them an unfair advantage over the indigenous competitors of hard shelled sea fruits.

 

[Woosh]

Bojo was seen listening carefully to Jo Swinson's speech.

 

[Danidl]

It was just amusing you conflated corner shops and kebab shops as the same. The two stereotypical ones. The two shops bumpkins confuse cos they’re foreigners innit.

And yes. Actually. There is a law, a local council law that says a takeaway needs a special permit to occupy a corner. It goes back to King Arthur and the selling of whelks. The French realised that if they occupied a corner residence it afforded them two exits/entrances. It made their purveyors of snails a speedier consumer experience to their patrons. And gave them an unfair advantage over the indigenous competitors of hard shelled sea fruits.

You have been taking those creative writing courses again, at the local FE college haven't you...?

 

[oldgroaner]

Yet here we are.

Defenceless against the Cummings machinations for five weeks
At the mercy of scum, this will not turn out well for anyone.

 

[oldgroaner]

Unfortunately the EU isn’t that benevolent. One of the reasons I voted out incidentally. And the EU would rather us leave and make an example of us to any other waverers.

The EU have extended far more benevolence than we have deserved from day one of this debacle.
Explain if you can just how they were in your eyes not being benevolent sufficiently to cause you to vote leave? do give examples.

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris Fails again in the Telegraph
Brexit latest news: Boris Johnson’s second bid to call General Election fails as parliament prorogued
293 to 46.... what a performance! his biggest defeat yet
And in the Daily Mail they are trying to pretend defeat is victory as usual
'You can't hide forever!' Boris Johnson vents his fury at 'yellow belly' Jeremy Corbyn as MPs block his bid for snap election again - before SHUTTING Parliament for five weeks and saying he will NOT extend Brexit past Oct 31 despite Remainer law


Oh yes you will Boris the law was made by parliament and you have no choice but to obey

 

[oldgroaner]

Yet here we are.

With the worst Prime Minister ever, he managed 6 defeats in six days, and all that stopped it being seven in a row was Parliament being prorogued.

 

[oyster]

Prorogation petition. Reads rather like "stuff you":

Government responded

This response was given on 9 September 2019

Prorogation is a prerogative Act of the Crown, exercised on the advice of Ministers. We must respect the referendum result and the UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October whatever the circumstances.

Read the response in full
The UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October whatever the circumstances. We must respect the referendum result.
Prorogation is a prerogative Act of the Crown, exercised on the advice of Ministers, to bring about the end of the parliamentary session. The royal prerogative is the term used to describe the powers held by Government Ministers, either in their own right, or through the advice they provide to the Queen which she is bound constitutionally to follow. The Government determines the length of a parliamentary session and advises the Queen on the date for the beginning of the next parliamentary session.
The beginning of the next session is marked by the State Opening of Parliament during which the Queen delivers the Queen’s Speech. The Queen’s Speech sets out the programme of legislation the Government intends to pursue in the forthcoming parliamentary session.
As the Prime Minister said in his statement on 2 September 2019, the Government has committed to recruiting another 20,000 police officers, improving both NHS and schools funding, and completing 20 new hospital upgrades. It is to progress the Government’s agenda on these and many other fronts that the Prime Minister has sought to commence a new session of Parliament in October.
Parliament is only dissolved before a General Election. Dissolution brings an end to a Parliament. The effect of a dissolution is all business comes to an end and every seat in the House of Commons is vacated until a General Election is held.

Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, General Elections are now automatically held every five years and the next general election is scheduled for May 2022. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act removed the prerogative power to dissolve Parliament; no longer can the Prime Minister advise the sovereign to dissolve Parliament and call a General Election.
The Fixed-term Parliaments Act also provides the basis on which an early General Election can be triggered:
1. If a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the whole House of Commons or without a vote; or
2. If a motion of ‘no confidence’, in the terms set out in the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, is passed and no subsequent motion expressing confidence in Her Majesty’s Government is passed by the Commons within 14 days.
In the event of an early-general election, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act allows the Prime Minister to recommend a suitable polling day to the Queen. There will be a Royal Proclamation to set the date. Parliament is then automatically dissolved 25 working days before polling day.
The Government would prefer to leave the EU with a deal and will work in an energetic and determined way to get a better deal. The Government is very willing to sit down with the Commission and EU Member States to talk about what needs to be done to achieve that.
The Prime Minister has said an election needs to take place ahead of the European Council on 17 to 18 October. This would allow the Prime Minister to go to the European Council with a clear mandate from the British people to deliver the referendum result.
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