Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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If Brexit was/is the disaster everyone who lost predicted we could rejoin.
a) Why would the EU want to allow a country that is in such a disastrous state as to support rejoining be allowed back in?
b) I'd rather not have gone through a disaster, with no certainty of coming out the other side with a semblance of an acceptable state.
c) Any terms for rejoining would be worse than now.
d) With such a broken system as we now appear to have, even cobbling together a "Please mister, can we join your gang." note might be unachievable.
e) Any disastrous consequences will be blamed, by many, on the EU itself not on "our" decision to leave.
 
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oldgroaner

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Well I look forward to the surfeit of British lamb and cheese we will be able to eat whilst we strike trade deals.

The world is a much smaller place logistically than 50 years ago.

I will be honest. I never thought the tail wagged the dog so hard, I mean I knew the EU was in principle the nominative head. And this is one of the reasons I voted out. But to discover it really is in charge.

Then I will be grateful to leave. I will appreciate the opportunity to build the UK from within and re nationalise our services.
You appear confused. What is the meaning of this paragraph?
"I will be honest. I never thought the tail wagged the dog so hard, I mean I knew the EU was in principle the nominative head. And this is one of the reasons I voted out. But to discover it really is in charge."

Care to explain, as it makes no sense at all. The EU is an association of member states, and is not actually in charge of any of them. it is a collaboration not a discrete state
The problem in the past is that Government policy has been to abuse the system rather than act as a responsible member state.
So your reason for leaving was on the basis of a lie.
And of course there remains the question of why you believe this "discover it really is in charge." when in fact the evidence is the exact opposite, it simply isn't in charge of what we choose to do.
Yet another lie

As to lamb The UK currently imports around a third of the sheep meat it consumes, or around 100,000 tonnes annually. In 2015, over 95 per cent of UK sheep meat exports went to other EU countries.

If you eat that lamb you simply pay twice for the privilege, once when you buy the lamb, and again when you pay more tax to make up for the Export income loss.

And while I rather like the optimism of your notion about rebuilding the nation and renationalising everything
Who on Earth are you expecting to do this when we have just thrown away all of our FTA's and biggest market?
This is simply fantasy
The leave campaign was never run for the benefit of you or I, simply to prevent application
Of the EU Tax avoidance laws

https://www.taxjustice.net/2019/01/23/brexit-and-the-future-of-tax-havens/

"Senior government ministers have been signalling the Singapore-on-Thames development strategy since January 2017, when Prime Minister May and her Chancellor Philip Hammond both flagged it up as a potential route. Since then other senior ministers, including Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Home Secretary Sajid Javid, have signalled that this is the model they would pursue post-Brexit.
Just to put this in context, Singapore has rapidly expanded its role as an offshore financial centre in the past decade, currently ranks number five on the Financial Secrecy Index, and has a secrecy score of 67. That secrecy score reflects general weaknesses in Singapore’s corporate transparency regime and low level of commitment to tackling corporate tax dodging.

So this raises questions about what senior politicians in London mean when they talk about Singapore-on-the-Thames. Mr Javid – a serious contender to replace Theresa May as leader of the Conservative Party, who has worked as a banker in Singapore – has spoken about using tax cuts and deregulation as part of a “shock and awe strategy” to transform the post-Brexit UK economy."

You've been had, lad.
 
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The only people in this country who are guilty are the remainists who won't accept a democratic vote.
Seems to me that the government was attempting to deliberately exploit non-registration of college students at the beginning of term on their choice of potential GE date. I'd hardly call that the hallmark of a government that upholds democracy.

(We have in the past seen several campaigns across most parties to encourage and support voter registration as a matter of principle. Even when some of the parties might have expected a poorer result. That was attempting to support democracy.)
 
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Seems to me that the government was attempting to deliberately exploit non-registration of college students at the beginning of term on their choice of potential GE date. I'd hardly call that the hallmark of a government that upholds democracy.

(We have in the past seen several campaigns across most parties to encourage and support voter registration as a matter of principle. Even when some of the parties might have expected a poorer result. That was attempting to support democracy.)
Maybe a bit of swings and roundabouts.

The Electoral Commission has warned of a “troubling” rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.
Students are legally allowed to register at both their university address and their home address, But only vote once.

 
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oldgroaner

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Seems to me that the government was attempting to deliberately exploit non-registration of college students at the beginning of term on their choice of potential GE date. I'd hardly call that the hallmark of a government that upholds democracy.

(We have in the past seen several campaigns across most parties to encourage and support voter registration as a matter of principle. Even when some of the parties might have expected a poorer result. That was attempting to support democracy.)
The only people who are guilty are the leave campaign who illegally procured the marginal win in the referendum by using dark money and psi warfare propaganda against targetted voters, and of course a catalogue of lies and false promises, which now suddenly were never said and allegedly were ineffective anyway., because they have now decided to lie and con the voters into believing they voted for no deal .
 

oldgroaner

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Maybe a bit of swings and roundabouts.

The Electoral Commission has warned of a “troubling” rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.
Students are legally allowed to register at both their university address and their home address, But only vote once.

Struggling a bit aren't you? are you suddenly alleging that no students were likely to vote Conservative and only dastardly left wingers would do such a thing?
This amounts to an admission that the young do not vote Conservative, perhaps they are not so easily conned by lies and false promises after all?
In reality there is a troubling rise in red herrings from leave supporters with deliberately slanted allegations like the one you just made.
By the way who made this allegation?
amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.
It wasn't the Electoral Commission
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/students-vote-twice-jeremy-corbyn-10819772
It did not investigate the claims itself
The Electoral Commission has not, itself, investigated claims people voted twice, and has not ruled on whether people did not not.

Instead, its report pointed out that "in the days following the election, a number of people on social media claimed that they had voted twice."

It said evidence of 'widespread abuse' was lacking
"We take these reports very seriously, though there is so far a lack of evidence of widespread abuse," the Commission said.

Great Red Herring you have there....
Please take more care with these misleading allegations
 
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Struggling a bit aren't you? are you suddenly alleging that no students were likely to vote Conservative and only dastardly left wingers would do such a thing?
This amounts to an admission that the young do not vote Conservative, perhaps they are not so easily conned by lies and false promises after all?
Did you even bother to read the article? I didn't alleged anything. The Electoral commission did. They said labour in particular could have been boosted by double voting.
I vote Labour..but unlike you I try and see both sides of an argument....You just make yourself look stupid.
Edit....Do you think most students vote Tory...LOL
 
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oldgroaner

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Did you even bother to read the article? I didn't alleged anything. The Electoral commission did. They said labour in particular could have been boosted by double voting.
I vote Labour..but unlike you I try and see both sides of an argument....You just make yourself look stupid.
You posted this
"The Electoral Commission has warned of a “troubling” rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice. "

So yes you you did make an allegation and the inference was obvious, so why did you make it? especially now you claim to be a labour voter?
How do you imagine that post looks before you make that claim?
It isn't me that made myself look stupid, is it?
Congratulations on an own goal
 

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You posted this
"The Electoral Commission has warned of a “troubling” rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice. "

So yes you you did make an allegation and the inference was obvious, so why did you make it? especially now you claim to be a labour voter?
How do you imagine that post looks before you make that claim?
It isn't me that made myself look stupid, is it?
Congratulations on an own goal
It would look like I alleged it ....But only if I worked for the Electoral commission.
 
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Did you even bother to read the article? I didn't alleged anything. The Electoral commission did. They said labour in particular could have been boosted by double voting.
I vote Labour..but unlike you I try and see both sides of an argument....You just make yourself look stupid.
Edit....Do you think most students vote Tory...LOL
Sorry but having just re read the article I can confirm your statement is untrue the Electoral commission made no such allegation.

And in response to this
"Edit....Do you think most students vote Tory...LOL "
No, I didn't say that did I ? just another of your deliberate red herrings.
Do you think none of them did...LOL?
Is my response
 

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It would look like I alleged it ....But only if I worked for the Electoral commission.
Er no you gave the appearance not merely supporting the claim, but actually misquoted the Electoral Commission in the process
This is the source of the allegation
"Several headlines have suggested this is a probe into "students who 'voted twice for Corbyn'."
Nothing to do with the Electoral Commission
 

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Er no you gave the appearance not merely supporting the claim, but actually misquoted the Electoral Commission in the process
This is the source of the allegation
"Several headlines have suggested this is a probe into "students who 'voted twice for Corbyn'."
Nothing to do with the Electoral Commission
The headline was.

Students could have voted twice in the general election, warns Electoral Commission

Watchdog reports 'troubling' rise in the number of alleged people voting fraudulently.
 

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Boris got a good write up in the Irish times over the visit
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-boris-stepped-off-roundabout-looking-dizzy-like-a-dishevelled-dougal-1.4013006

Good for him that is.... he got off to a flying start
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When Boris got out of the car and bounded up the steps, baggy of trouser and untethered of shirt, a male voice arose from the ranks of the Irish media.

“Jaaaysus, would ya look at the state of him.”

That was rather unfair. It takes effort to maintain such a low standard."

"When he stepped off the roundabout in Dublin he looked dizzy, like a dishevelled Dougal, aimlessly waffling around in circles without the calming magic of Cummings, his Zebedee.

I'm sure he will be equally splendid when he visits Brussels.
 
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The headline was.

Students could have voted twice in the general election, warns Electoral Commission

Watchdog reports 'troubling' rise in the number of alleged people voting fraudulently.
Thus proving the Electoral Commission never made the allegation of them voting for Corbyn.
I think you missed this one, by the way
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4040741/students-voted-twice-jeremy-corbyn-labour-election/
JEZZA VOTER FRAUD PROBE Thousands of students may have voted TWICE for Jeremy Corbyn in General Election, watchdog says
Tory MPs claim students had 'boasted' online of voting at both their home and uni addresses
And here is how lies get started, the paper printed this
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THOUSANDS of students could have voted twice for Jeremy Corbyn in the General Election, a watchdog has warned.

Tory MPs are calling for an investigation after claiming students had "boasted" online of voting for the Labour leader at both their home and uni addresses."

Note the wording is intended to imply that "a watchdog" was the Electoral Commision, and no such statement appears attributed to them in the article
It was FAKED NEWS.

And how easy it can be to get a group of individuals to make a claim on social media and turn their nonsense into so called facts. :cool:
 
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Boris got a good write up in the Irish times over the visit
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-boris-stepped-off-roundabout-looking-dizzy-like-a-dishevelled-dougal-1.4013006

Good for him that is.... he got off to a flying start
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When Boris got out of the car and bounded up the steps, baggy of trouser and untethered of shirt, a male voice arose from the ranks of the Irish media.

“Jaaaysus, would ya look at the state of him.”

That was rather unfair. It takes effort to maintain such a low standard."

"When he stepped off the roundabout in Dublin he looked dizzy, like a dishevelled Dougal, aimlessly waffling around in circles without the calming magic of Cummings, his Zebedee.

I'm sure he will be equally splendid when he visits Brussels.
Just to be fair, Miriam Lord who wrote that article , is a very well regarded journalist writing quirky human interest "takes" on mainly Political events. She can be very cutting in a witty way about the foibles of human nature.
 
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Just to be fair, Miriam Lord who wrote that article , is a very well regarded journalist writing quirky human interest "takes" on mainly Political events. She can be very cutting in a witty way about the foibles of human nature.
I liked this paragraph:

"After the brief Q and A session, the two leaders repaired upstairs for breakfast. But first there was a photocall when Johnson signed the guest book. He looked at the previous pages. “Michel Barnier” he noted. “A-ha!” he cried triumphantly, as if rumbling some dastardly plot.

And he did. Leo has been collaborating with the EU."

I did watch that bit on BBC News.
 

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Bojo's immediate concern is how to quash the BXP at the next election.
If he doesn't succeed in that, he'll be toast.
 

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