Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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This is an example of the problem we have
I posted this
"Democracy is intended to protect the weak from the strong, look at the scum who promoted leave, predatory self serving scum the lot of them. .

Are you admitting you were a member of this group?
And in your odd brain that comes out as a derogatory reference to you personally?
Have you no shame at trying to distort the message to suit your attitude?
Of course I took it personally. I consider myself to be one of those 'proponents' of Brexit.

That language is beneath you OG. You may be many things but to me you are respectful. At least that's how I have seen up up to now - even though we may fight. But when you get to calling people 'scum'? Really? Is that where you want to go? And will you now just try to justify your stance? Maybe. I hope not.
 
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OxygenJames

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How it looks at this point
Boris will be faced with selling May's Deal, as predicted , the only way he can get any shade of Brexit through he will then face a battle with Farage in a GE
There will be no big majority for anyone, and then a coalition will go for a people's vote in another parliamentary day of the long knives.
Bercow will be last seen leaving the Building with a smile on his face that would shame Elvis. :cool:
I love it when a BRINO comes together
And if it doesn't his only legal course of action is to ask for Article 50 to be rescinded.
Who do you think would win that second referendum? And what would the question be?
 
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Of course I took it personally. I consider myself to be one of those 'proponents' of Brexit.

That language is beneath you OG. You may be many things but to me you are respectful. At least that's how I have seen up up to now - even though we may fight. But when you get to calling people 'scum'? Really? Is that where you want to go? And will you now just try to justify your stance? Maybe. I hope not.
So you donated money to subvert democracy.? Channelled money to the DUP in NI so as to buy advertising covers for London only mass circulation magazines? . These are the people referred to. Otherwise you are a punter or a supporter, not a promotor.
 
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Who do you think would win that second referendum? And what would the question be?
Bojo's escape route is simple: bring May's deal back to parliament with a confirmatory vote and he can be sure it'll pass the MV.
The confirmatory vote will have one of 3 outcomes: WTO, May's deal, remain.
Depending on the way the vote is structured, you will have democratic deficit of one sort or the other.
If it's a straight best choice of 3, remain is expected to win. That will make 45% of voters unhappy.
If it's a two stage vote, brexit v remain, then if brexit wins, in the following week, which brexit, then May's deal win. That will make everyone lose a bit.
 

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WTO brexit support is at 28%

 

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good one piece today gang.

Check out the top with bercow going on like a deranged bercow.
 

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If it is OK for BJ to break the law, is it OK for us to do so also? Whether failing to pay tax, voting multiple times, speeding, ....

Be ironic if BJ's protection police arrested him.
He's like Trump, you don't know what he'll do because everyone assumes he will change his mind when he wakes up in the morning. It was a million to one, then 50/50 then anything goes really.
We don't even know if he still wants a GE when parliament comes back in October.
 
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Fingers

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He's like Trump, you don't know what he'll do because everyone assumes he will change his mind when he wakes up in the morning. It was a million to one, then 50/50 then anything goes really.
We don't even know if he still wants a GE when parliament comes back in October.

The dead cat.

But with a minority of 40 odd there will be an election.

Unless he wants to break the record of losing votes. He's six for six now.

I reckon he could put a motion bumping up MPs salaries by 40k and still lose.
 
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But with a minority of 40 odd there will be an election.
Bojo keeps saying he does not want one but it's JC who chickens out, but is it not up to the rebel alliance when it's going to happen?
They can keep him in the pen and torture him until he will say he does not want a second referendum but...
 

oldgroaner

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Of course I took it personally. I consider myself to be one of those 'proponents' of Brexit.

That language is beneath you OG. You may be many things but to me you are respectful. At least that's how I have seen up up to now - even though we may fight. But when you get to calling people 'scum'? Really? Is that where you want to go? And will you now just try to justify your stance? Maybe. I hope not.
Methinks you doth protest too much! where is this outraged sense of virtue coming into the discussion?
You knew who the targets of my comments were, and you were I hope not one of them.

Or is it a case of you confirming complicity in the wrongdoing of the leave campaign, and being a member of the organisation that broke the law to obtain the the flawed referendum result using a pack of lies , very dodgy finance and questionable methods of persuasion?

Calling those people scum isn't beyond me, I am being polite! they are despicable in pursuit of nothing more than personal gain at the expense of the public.

Sorry but I want them to be in the dock facing charges for what they have and are doing.

Voting for leave is a personal choice and by the way, and no one has called you scum for that, or your support of the Leave cause, so why have you have taken it upon yourself to identify with these rogues?, I didn't do that, you did. do you want for some reason t be associated with enemies of the people who operate outside the law?

In the spirit of compromise, would you prefer me to use another name for them? I should be quite happy to withdraw "scum" and switch to using "Vermin" if you believe that more appropriate.
As you can see I am in a diplomatic mood today.
 
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oldgroaner

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The dead cat.

But with a minority of 40 odd there will be an election.

Unless he wants to break the record of losing votes. He's six for six now.

I reckon he could put a motion bumping up MPs salaries by 40k and still lose.
King Midas in reverse...
 

oldgroaner

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Who do you think would win that second referendum? And what would the question be?
Accept the deal on offer or remain in the EU
As to the result
Remain in the EU clear winner by between five and ten percent, possibly more as leave voters don't vote in disgust
 

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