Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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brexit is an obsession for the conservative party. It will run and run until the conservatives lose power then brexit would be abandoned.
It's also an obsession for the 17.4 million of us who voted to leave. You know. The ones that won the vote. Remember? The vote we had. The one where we had to decide. And we did. That one.
 
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Fingers

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How can you POSSIBLY know if his optimism is misplaced. The WHOLE F****ING POINT about 'optimism' is that you DO NOT CURRENTLY F***ING KNOW!

God you are hard work.

He is like a child. He just repeats what is said to him.

He may be some Yoda level troll and he has eating out of his hand or more likely he is just thick and cannot come up with original thoughts

I daresay if it wasn't the EU he'd be sucked into whatever new cult came knocking at his door.
 
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oyster

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Better than your world of constant fear and misery.

And lies.
Which all seemed to start in mid-2016.

Until then, I was pretty non-fearful and not miserable. Since then, the unbelievable incompetence, lies, consequences have indeed started to engender fear and misery.

Anti-depressant prescribing went up across the board from 2016 to 2017. Sorry, I don't immediately have access to 2018 figures.
 
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Fingers

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Which all seemed to start in mid-2016.

Until then, I was pretty non-fearful and not miserable. Since then, the unbelievable incompetence, lies, consequences have indeed started to engender fear and misery.

Anti-depressant prescribing went up across the board from 2016 to 2017. Sorry, I don't immediately have access to 2018 figures.

Maybe it's mental illness? That has gone up an awful lot in the last few years too. Not a day goes past where some celebrity or other is diagnosed with it.

Go and see your doctor. There is a cure for feeling sad these days.
 
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More Johnson excuses...

Boris Johnson has said the chances of a Brexit deal are "touch and go" - having previously said the odds of a no-deal Brexit were "a million to one".

In a BBC interview at the G7 summit in France, he said it "all depends on our EU friends and partners"

...he added: "I do not want at this stage to say there won't be unforeseen difficulties.".


Yet just a few days ago

Speaking at a news conference alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson in Berlin, she stressed it would be up to the UK to offer a workable plan of backstop 'alternative arrangements' in 30 days.

The PM said he was "more than happy" with that "blistering timetable".

He accepted the "onus" was on the UK, but said he believed there was "ample scope" for a new deal to be reached.



I think the EU leaders have done their homework on BJ and know him better than he knows himself...

"school reports complained about his idleness, complacency, and lateness,"

"he was consistently late in providing his columns for The Telegraph and The Spectator, forcing many staff to stay late to accommodate him; they related that if they went ahead and published without his work included, he would get angry and shout at them with expletives."
 

oldgroaner

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What? Leave the economy with the lowest unemployment in the whole of Europe? Why would they do that? They're here for the jobs. God you are thick sometimes.
lowest unemployment in Europe? what you mean is most comprehensive lies on the subject by the standards applied throughout the EU our unemployment is over 20%
And of course there is a reason for that
Effect of the Gig economy

Your so called full employment should have resulted in big wage increases.
The last time unemployment was as low as its current rate, in 1975, earnings increased by 30% a year. Today, average wage growth is only 1.9%. What has gone wrong?
  • The big difference in the post-2008 period is the increase in poorly paid, part-time, self-employed, low-quality jobs.
  • British workers are so cheap it is tempting to hire them rather than invest money into something more productive for the long run, such as new plant, equipment or technology.
  • Pay no longer moves upward as unemployment goes down because companies like Uber, Just Eat, and Deliveroo can switch off their demand for labour on a minute-by-minute basis.
  • The gig economy has thus broken a fundamental link in capitalism that was good for workers.
like everything else you promote it's a sham.
A work of fiction
And the one who is thick is you.
 
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Fingers

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You see what I mean?

You say he's thick and his comeback is.....

You're thick.

He will accuse me of being a troll soon because I called him a troll.

Regular as a dripping tap and about as much fun.
 
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Woosh

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It's also an obsession for the 17.4 million of us who voted to leave. You know.
I don't think so. Most voters do not want the aggro that a no deal brexit wll bring, but the conservatives cannot do brexit any other way than no deal.

Here is the poll: only 26% of voters want what the 75% of conservatives want, no deal brexit is not the will of the people by a long chalk:

 

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  • The big difference in the post-2008 period is the increase in poorly paid, part-time, self-employed, low-quality jobs.
  • British workers are so cheap it is tempting to hire them rather than invest money into something more productive for the long run, such as new plant, equipment or technology.
Change the word British to Eastern European and you have hit the nail on the head.
 
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oyster

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Just what is a trade deal agreement with DT worth? A sheet of Cushelle? Probably only a scrunched up half-sheet of Izal medicated...

White House insists Trump not having second thoughts on China trade war
  • Asked he is rethinking tariffs, president says: ‘Sure. Why not?’
  • Press secretary: Trump regrets not raising tariffs higher
Donald Trump admitted on Sunday to having second thoughts about raising tariffs against China, spark brief hopes of a possible truce in the trans-Pacific trade war. But his spokeswoman later insisted the only regret the president had was not imposing even greater tariffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/25/donald-trump-second-thoughts-china-trade-war
 
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50Hertz

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Maybe it's mental illness? That has gone up an awful lot in the last few years too. Not a day goes past where some celebrity or other is diagnosed with it.
People catch nuttiness and depression off other people on Facebook. There’s always some dripping head posting stuff about nut-job awareness week. Then a competition breaks out to be the most depressed person on Facebook. It’s a contagion, like kids mass fainting at a Disney rave or something. They just need a good punch in the face to refocus their attention.
 

50Hertz

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I don't think so. Most voters do not want the aggro that a no deal brexit wll bring, but the conservatives cannot do brexit any other way than no deal.

Here is the poll: only 26% of voters want what the 75% of conservatives want, no deal brexit is not the will of the people by a long chalk:

Of course it’s not. A no deal Brexit was never on the table when we voted, quite the reverse. “We will dictate the terms” remember that?

So what does a no deal Brexit get us? How do we benefit from it?

Cue tumbleweed.
 
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Fingers

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Of course it’s not. A no deal Brexit was never on the table when we voted, quite the reverse. “We will dictate the terms” remember that?

So what does a no deal Brexit get us? How do we benefit from it?

Cue tumbleweed.

Well short term not a lot but long term we can make trade deals that are not tempered by the wishes of some Flemish truffle farmers or the like.
 
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