Brexit, for once some facts.

[daveboy]

But what kind of brexit would that be? in a customs union with additional employee, consumer rights rather than the opposite (nationalisation)? present migration arrangements with the eu remain? I agree completely with all of that, but it doesnt present brexit in the way a self obsessed xenophobic tory nut job would see it.

I want Brexit and then Labour to.
1. water...…………… nationalise
2.gas...………………..nationalise
3. railways...………….nationalise
4.electric...……………nationalise
5.zero hours contracts...… ban
6. food banks...……… remove the need.
7, tax...…..make big firms pay tax as a percentage of turnover if they try avoidance.
Not in any particular order.

 

[flecc]

People voted to leave the EU. The government haven’t followed through on their promises. People feel betrayed and let down.

Some people. Over 48% are happy, that's many more than most governments ever please!
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[flecc]

I am probably the only person on here that wants Brexit and a Labour Government ...it's just me and Jeremy Corbyn (i'm hoping he gets an e-bike and joins the forum )

Me too for your 1 to 7 list. It could be a tandem with John McDonnell or Diane Abbott on the back.
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[oldgroaner]

So, a bus has broken down.

In other hot news, a seagull has turned off the TV set of an Exeter resident. Would you like me to furnish you with more detail so that you can report that on here as well?

Why not?it will make a change from insulting women, which you seem to prefer

 

[Woosh]

It could be a tandem with John McDonnell or Diane Abbott on the back.

JC and Abbott on a brexit tandem...
that just gave me a fit of cough.

 

[flecc]

JC and Abbott on a brexit tandem...
that just gave me a fit of cough.

Maybe this sort of tandem (still from video):

 

[oldgroaner]

Too complicated.

The government promised a referendum and promised to implement what people voted for.

People voted to leave the EU. The government haven’t followed through on their promises. People feel betrayed and let down.

Just a small technical point "the people" voted Cameron in even after he was caught out lying in public.
Wouldn't you think "the people"would be wise enough not to vote a liar into office?
Or even (Amazing idea) that the leave politicians and the Government had a duty to reveal that the referendum was Advisory only?
Even more unlikely... that the public should have checked too?

Nobody seems to have come out of this affair looking other than either careless or gullible,or in the place of politicians, devious.
I agree people have a right to feel betrayed and let down, but not enough to avoid being "done" again by the same shysters using the same approach.

After all, who in their right mind can trust the Liar King after his cowardly running for cover after the referendum.
And here he is running away again!
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"Boris Johnson plans to give the EU the cold shoulder by refusing to visit Brussels or any European leaders"

"Cold shoulder" AKA Cowardly avoiding responsibility if anything goes wrong.
What a Plonker

 

[daveboy]

Just a small technical point "the people" voted Cameron in even after he was caught out lying in public.
Wouldn't you think "the people"would be wise enough not to vote a liar into office?
Or even (Amazing idea) that the leave politicians and the Government had a duty to reveal that the referendum was Advisory only?
Even more unlikely... that the public should have checked too?

Nobody seems to have come out of this affair looking other than either careless or gullible,or in the place of politicians, devious.
I agree people have a right to feel betrayed and let down, but not enough to avoid being "done" again by the same shysters using the same approach.

After all, who in their right mind can trust the Liar King after his cowardly running for cover after the referendum.
And here he is running away again!
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"Boris Johnson plans to give the EU the cold shoulder by refusing to visit Brussels or any European leaders"

"Cold shoulder" AKA Cowardly avoiding responsibility if anything goes wrong.
What a Plonker

It might work... if you owed somebody £10,000 you'd be worried.......if you owed them 39 billions they'd be worried! and if they are talking to each other, would either party want to admit it. Both sides are trying to show they are taking a hard stance.

 

[flecc]

It might work... if you owed somebody £10,000 you'd be worried.......if you owed them 39 billions they'd be worried!

The EU aren't worried, as I've posted a number of times before, they hold all the cards and always have done.

They know we have to have a trade deal of some sort with them since we couldn't survive losing half of all our export income. So to get that trade deal we'll have to cough up the cash.

It won't necessarily be £39 billions, that's the opening gambit, but it will certainly be over £11 billions since that's our signed up to committment for essentials like pensions. Think in terms of about £25 billions in the end, paid in installments.
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[Fingers]

Fingers you are surely not supporting the idea that Empire was a good thing in any way shape or form?
No surely not, no one is that stupid

Best thing ever. We wouldn't be the country we are without that buccaneering spirit. The world thanks us for our achievement.

 

[Fingers]

Perhaps he has been reading
The Goebbels Diaries 1939-1941
(and the other volumes)?

Or owes many favours to the advertising "industry"?

If only we could have a campaign to not buy papers, watch television, etc., which accepts that advertising. I'd happily not watch Coronation Street, Love Island, etc., with BJ's propaganda before, during and after.

(Never watch them anyway, so not a difficult thing to say and not do.)

It's called the BBC.

We already have it.

You're welcome.

 

[Fingers]

And here you are, believing everything bj says and said before the referendum. And what jrm says. I'm having that de ja vu feeling all over again.

BJ jrm de ja vu

Speak English you silly man.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

BJ jrm de ja vu

Speak English you silly man.

Deja vu is in the oxford dictionary. I realize english isnt your first language and you dont understand any of this (dont let it bother you). but I thought I'd point it out for the benefit of other english second language users as my good deed for the day.

 

[Fingers]

Deja vu is in the oxford dictionary. I realize english isnt your first language and you dont understand any of this (dont let it bother you). but I thought I'd point it out for the benefit of other english second language users as my good deed for the day.

Capital O. It's spelt realise. Capital E. Isn't. Space after (. Don't. Space after ). Capital B. Capital E.

You moron. 10 errors in two sentences.

No wonder this country is going to the dogs. Thank goodness for Brexit so we can reset and teach English again.

How do you manage to feed yourself?

 

[50Hertz]

Some people. Over 48% are happy, that's many more than most governments ever please!
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I wouldn’t say they are happy, they just voted to remain in the EU.

 

[50Hertz]

Why not?it will make a change from insulting women, which you seem to prefer

Just trying to do my bit for equality. Anyway, Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t count, she’s a dwarf and God made dwarves for our entertainment.

 

[flecc]

I wouldn’t say they are happy, they just voted to remain in the EU.

They've been happy all the time there was a chance that there would be no Brexit. Hope is a great inspirer.
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[50Hertz]

They've been happy all the time there was a chance that there would be no Brexit. Hope is a great inspirer.
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I know a man who spends his mornings hanging around in railway cuttings setting fire to things. In the afternoon he sits by the town cenotaph and throws cats at passers-by. His name is Jonathan Agnew and he is a very unhappy man who voted to remain in the EU.

 

[flecc]

After Honda departing and Nissan cancelling a model for Sunderland, we now have PSA saying the Vauxhall Astra plant at Ellesmere Port is likely to close with a no deal brexit.

I first forecast this on 26th October 2016 on this link when the brand was still owned by GM, and have reposted since PSA took over that it would still happen. I forecast then that GM would abandon the UK over Brexit, and it did by selling out to PSA.

I still believe that plant has no chance after Brexit, any Brexit.

What no-one seems to realise is that the Vauxhall plant at Luton is also threatened for a different reason. Their van is made there, but under two names since it's really the Renault van so their production has the two brand names.

That was fine while Vauxhall was GM, but now it's owned by PSA who are Peugeot Citroen, with Renault as their big rival, how long will they be happy manufacturing a rival to their own vans? My guess is only until the end of that contract with Renault.
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[jonathan.agnew]

I am a man who spends his mornings hanging around in railway cuttings setting fire to things. In the afternoon i sit by the town cenotaph and throws cats at passers-by. I am a very unhappy man who voted to remain in the EU.

That's very intimate knowledge, are you sure it isnt autobiographical? It's ok to be upset, we understand, whether it's you or your "friend".