Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Oh not again, the same old dreary nonsense
A coalition Government got us through the second world war, and I don't recall saying that i had expressed a preference for who was leading a modern coalition government.
In theory it should not make a big difference, should it?
You really do make things up as you go along, I mentioned this idea over a year ago.
For your information we do not have a coalition government at the moment, just a single party in power that are a rabble.
All that has changed is a different rat stands at the dispatch box

You can not compare it. In 1940 we had a common goal to win the war. What on earth would our parties have in common. In the war parties put their idealogies to one side to defeat Fascism. Our parties idealogies are
getting more opposed. If you cant see that you are thicker than even I thought. Yes, perhaps Tories and BXP, are converging, which according to recent polls would give Johnson and Farage a 200 seat majority. (Farage will only agree if we leave in October)
Please explain how the feck any coalition of whom could have a working majority. Its complete bo!! ox. They, d be arguing in an even bigger heap.
Prey tell us the nature of your magic coalition. Labour/Tory/Lib Dem/BXP or whatever. When major party has such a weak majority we are virtually operating under a coalition.
So come on tell us.
You use the word as some panacea, it would be like prescribing Aspirin for a broken limb.
Who do you want to lead this coalition and under what policies. Just saying "coalition" is infantile and answers nothing. It could mean anything. Corbyn and Lib Dems cant even agree.
Now get rid of Corbyn and things might change. As they are, no chance.
Infact what you really mean is a dictatorship offering the type of policies you want and enforcing them on the rest of us. And that aint going to happen, is it?.
You dont know what you want and even if you did I doubt its ever going to be offered.

 

[OxygenJames]

The remain camp didn't lose the vote.

WRONG!!!!!

OG - you DID lose.

Really.

It was a fight - some rules were broken/bent (as they always are).

And.......

In the end..........

The winner was declared.

And..........

It wasn't you.

Sorry.

Just wasn't.

 

[oldgroaner]

You can not compare it. In 1940 we had a common goal to win the war. What on earth would our parties have in common. In the war parties put their idealogies to one side to defeat Fascism. Our parties idealogies are
getting more opposed. If you cant see that you are thicker than even I thought. Yes, perhaps Tories and BXP, are converging, which according to recent polls would give Johnson and Farage a 200 seat majority. (Farage will only agree if we leave in October)
Please explain how the feck any coalition of whom could have a working majority. Its complete bo!! ox. They, d be arguing in an even bigger heap.
Prey tell us the nature of your magic coalition. Labour/Tory/Lib Dem/BXP or whatever. When major party has such a weak majority we are virtually operating under a coalition.
So come on tell us.
You use the word as some panacea, it would be like prescribing Aspirin for a broken limb.
Who do you want to lead this coalition and under what policies. Just saying "coalition" is infantile and answers nothing. It could mean anything. Corbyn and Lib Dems cant even agree.
Now get rid of Corbyn and things might change. As they are, no chance.
Infact what you really mean is a dictatorship offering the type of policies you want and enforcing them on the rest of us. And that aint going to happen, is it?.

What are you on about? I suggest a coalition and in your opinion that amounts to me wanting a dictatorship? and I point out that Corbyn and Boris are both Brexiteers?
Zlatan, you are not making any sense at all.
Obviously you don't understand what a coalition is, do you? all you can think of is party politics
We are simply NOT operating as a coalition with the Conservative party in power, the game is entirely theirs, no one else has a say.

 

[oldgroaner]

WRONG!!!!!

OG - you DID lose.

Really.

It was a fight - some rules were broken/bent (as they always are).

And.......

In the end..........

The winner was declared.

And..........

It wasn't you.

Sorry.

Just wasn't.

Wrong again the Referendum was void, your government decided to ignore that, as it suited them.
No one won, it was ruined and should be run again.

 

[Fingers]

Tragic scenes on here today.

Real remain playground stuff.

 

[oldgroaner]

Fascinating
First 4 polls of Johnson Premiership: +2 (25%) +2 (30%) +5 (30%) +10 (31%)
First 4 polls of Theresa May Premiership: +10 (39%) +11 (40%) +6 (37%) +16 (43%)
New prime minister's tend to have a honeymoon period however Johnson seems significantly lower than Mays

 

[oldgroaner]

Tragic scenes on here today.

Real remain playground stuff.

Still haven't any material in support of leave being a good plan then?
Is this all you can come up with?
A weak attempt at humour?

Poor you, but then no one else has been able to crack that problem have they?

 

[Zlatan]

What are you on about? I suggest a coalition and in your opinion that amounts to me wanting a dictatorship? and I point out that Corbyn and Boris are both Brexiteers?
Zlatan, you are not making any sense at all.
Obviously you don't understand what a coalition is, do you? all you can think of is party politics
We are simply NOT operating as a coalition with the Conservative party in power, the game is entirely theirs, no one else has a say.

You are being deliberately obtuse to avoid the obvious argument.
Please explain the EXACT nature of this coalition and why it will solve anything. And led by whom?

Coalition government - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I suggest you read this OG and then come back and explain how it makes any parties more cooperative and willing to listen to other views.
It changes NOTHING.

 

[Fingers]

Wrong again the Referendum was void, your government decided to ignore that, as it suited them.
No one won, it was ruined and should be run again.

http://imgur.com/xJx4Xi8

 

[oyster]

Fascinating
First 4 polls of Johnson Premiership: +2 (25%) +2 (30%) +5 (30%) +10 (31%)
First 4 polls of Theresa May Premiership: +10 (39%) +11 (40%) +6 (37%) +16 (43%)
New prime minister's tend to have a honeymoon period however Johnson seems significantly lower than Mays

His Home Secretary, sorry, his Home Hypocrisy:

She says:
It comes as Home Secretary Priti Patel today unveils Mr Johnson’s tough new immigration policy in this newspaper, vowing to make Britain ‘the greatest country on earth’ by seizing the ‘once-in-a-lifetime opportunity offered by the end of free movement’.

With her background:
Priti Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in Harrow.[12] Her parents are Gujarati Indians, who moved from Uganda in the 1960s, several years before President Idi Amin came to power, and announced the expulsion of Ugandan Asians, from November 1972. They emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire.

 

[oldgroaner]

http://imgur.com/xJx4Xi8

Is this the plan that will make Brexit a success?

 

[oyster]

Is this the plan that will make Brexit a success?

No. But there isn't anything that would.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

No. The better quality of lie referred to fake promises about something which may or may not happen in the future. Fake news is to deliberately report an event which has already happened in an inaccurate and misleading way.

For example;

"Jeremy Corbyn has been caught having sex with a goat." That would be fake news.

"A no deal Brexit will create thousands of jobs in the car industry." That is a lie.

There is a difference.

Incorrect. Fake news include overhyping future "rewards" of brexit, eg the 350 million on the side of the bus, and understating future pain ("WTO ruleswill be painless"). These are semantics. If one make decisions that jeopardise the future of one's community on the basis of something a wuckfit like boris put on the side of a bus, I suggest one voluntarily spend a year in a retreat to get to the bottom of the void inside.

 

[Danidl]

No.
Your first

No. The better quality of lie referred to fake promises about something which may or may not happen in the future. Fake news is to deliberately report an event which has already happened in an inaccurate and misleading way.

For example;

"Jeremy Corbyn has been caught having sex with a goat." That would be fake news.

"A no deal Brexit will create thousands of jobs in the car industry." That is a lie.

There is a difference.

No your first Statement is a lie..an untruth intended to deceive. It is also a calumny and if written libel... unless of course it were true. It is not false news.
The second statement is false news. It is a possibility which might become true, but without any objective evidence or analysis . It is not a lie, until the author qualifies it with an attribution ..according to A Einstein ,who demonstrably could not have said it.
Lies deal with stating as true things which not.

 

[50Hertz]

No.
Your first

No your first Statement is a lie..an untruth intended to deceive. It is also a calumny and if written libel... unless of course it were true. It is not false news.
The second statement is false news. It is a possibility which might become true, but without any objective evidence or analysis . It is not a lie, until the author qualifies it with an attribution ..according to A Einstein ,who demonstrably could not have said it.
Lies deal with stating as true things which not.

You are making simple things complicated again, with the end result of confusing yourself.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

You are making simple things complicated again, with the end result of confusing yourself.

Conveniently pretending complicated things are simple is at the heart of the deceit that is brexit.

 

[Fingers]

Conveniently pretending complicated things are simple is at the heart of the deceit that is brexit.

Like Zimbabwe?

Is that simple? Maybe we should help them first, not Iran.

 

[Fingers]

I thought so.

Once you tell these remainers what good the Empire did around the world they go quiet.

For shame.

 

[oldgroaner]

I thought so.

Once you tell these remainers what good the Empire did around the world they go quiet.

For shame.

Fingers you are surely not supporting the idea that Empire was a good thing in any way shape or form?
No surely not, no one is that stupid

 

[oldgroaner]

We have been led to believe many things about Brexit being easy to achieve, "We hold all the cards" so why this and how much is this so obvious bluff going to cost us?
In the Telegraph
"Boris Johnson to unveil biggest ad campaign since Second World War to prepare for 'no deal'

Why an "ad" campaign? and right next to it on the front page is this
AnalysisNo-deal Brexit 'would leave British farmers defenceless' against cheap imports

Madness!