Brexit, for once some facts.

[gray198]

Jonathan was posting the truth. The EU isn't treating us badly, they are merely sticking to the terms for leaving that we've always agreed to for decades.

We are being the awkward ones, voting to leave but pretending those terms don't exist, wanting special treatments that the EU couldn't possibly grant and presenting them with a border that is or isn't a border depending which side one looks at it.

Then thinking the answer to all these is in the outdated clown-like personality of Boris Johnson bluffing with nonsense about great nation status again. His populist BS simply isn't going to cut any ice in Brussels or with any of the other 27 nation members.
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we'll see

 

[gray198]

Then thinking the answer to all these is in the outdated clown-like personality of Boris Johnson

this from someone who thinks Corbyn and his band of marxist muppets is going to save the country

 

[jonathan.agnew]

and you look at corbyn and see a great leader??

I have never said that. I said corbyn is flawed but compared to boris or farage, just fine. To back a psychopathic narcissist like boris is something that I'm afraid I find utterly incomprehensible.

 

[Woosh]

What he wants and what he gets are not the same. He will need to substantially revisit the WA before any EU FTA, even begins to emerge. To reuse a quote from the Chairman of a major bank, BJ will be in the position of twisting the tail of the EU Dog. .. Not a very safe place to be.

I think you are wrong on this.
I am not for BJ but because I don't think there is much difference in cost between staying very close to the EU (like joining EFTA after the transition period) and a WTO brexit for 18 months, that's the timescale for concluding something like CETA+.
I don't think BJ is going to get us to eat chlorinated chicken any time soon, so the + after CETA should be relatively good.

 

[Zlatan]

As someone who has benefited a little from bequests , I wonder would that be a bad thing. . There are pernicious elements in the tax codes which reward privilege. If those billions were released, it would allow lower tax on the living and stop the development of dynasties

I wasnt judging, but simple fact is with the highest number of houses now owned by occupiers, and the average estate worth I, d guess around figure I mentioned its a massive vote loser. I also benefitted to a certain degree from fact my parents worked their entire lives and through hard work managed to help myself and siblings.
I, m planning on doing same for my offspring and still work in an effort to do so. How many wont bother if 40% plus of that passed goes to fund Corbyn's hair brained schemes.
The current allowances are designed so moderstely wealthy pay a relatively small amount, the rich pay relatively lots.
Amazes me that Corbyn comes up with all this but has actually already benefitted from his own wealthy background and finds jobs for his own.
Besides, all you generous types can give your hard earned cash to charity,for someone else to get rich on.
I, m afraid Corbyn's version of socialism simply dorsnt work. People work hard for reward. Take away the reward and we all might aswell sign on.Its called human nature.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

this from someone who thinks Corbyn and his band of marxist muppets is going to save the country

Untill you band of muppets voted leave, the country was doing fine and not in any need of saving.

 

[Fingers]

Untill you band of muppets voted leave, the country was doing fine and not in any need of saving.

Chin up old boy. This isn't the attitude that created the Empire!

 

[oldgroaner]

Mr Toad has been at it again, raising anonymous cash for ulterior motives
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-launched-pro-brexit-18781017
Nigel Farage has launched a pro-Brexit group which can take anonymous US cash
World4Brexit, registered in Michigan for tax purposes, is reportedly expected to get "informal advice" from Steve Bannon

Nigel Farage has launched a Brexit lobbying group which can spend unlimited amounts of money pushing pro-Brexit messages while keeping the names of their donors secret.
The group is registered as a ‘501(c)(4)’ group - a not-for-profit group which can accept donations of up to $5,000 and keep the names of donors secret.

Speaking before the event, Farage told the FT all money raised by the group would be “above the board and legal”.

How much longer before those who voted leave finally come to their senses and see they have been mugged?

 

[oldgroaner]

Untill you band of muppets voted leave, the country was doing fine and not in any need of saving.

Now then, don't you go upsetting the leave voters, they wanted the state of the nation to decline, and themselves to be worse off and treated as mugs, or they wouldn't have voted for it.
So no matter what goes wrong, they at least will be happy.

 

[Danidl]

How great would Ireland be if they lost their sense of victimhood?

I guess we will never know.

The article I referred to was that an Irish free state government renaged on one of the 1922 treaty terms,and therefore was in legal default of an undertaking. The UK Government naturally responded and tariffs were imposed resulting in stagnation . Neither I nor the IT article were suggesting that Ireland had the moral high ground..I don't know, not being born,but the author had no doubts. So I was not invoking victimhood

 

[oldgroaner]

Chin up old boy. This isn't the attitude that created the Empire!

Careful fingers, you are getting into dangerous territory with remarks like that.
Think before you post.

 

[oldgroaner]

just the old labor policies. Tax those who work hard so you can give it to the feckless and create more welfare state clients in the hope of keeping power

You mean people who haven't actually worked for the money spiralling house prices have gifted them with?
Why shouldn't that money be taxed? it wasn't actually earned, was it? more of a windfall really.

 

[Fingers]

Careful fingers, you are getting into dangerous territory with remarks like that.
Think before you post.

If only you practiced what you preached eh?

What has offended you out of interest Gerald?

 

[OxygenJames]

Special prize for who can figure out who said this:

"In some ways the most admirable thing about the appointment of Cummings is that it suggests Johnson doesn’t care that much what the media class thinks. He must have known that having Cummings at No10 would cause a meltdown among those chattering-class muppets who think Cummings is a mad, criminal mastermind who hoodwinked the electorate in 2016 – and yet he still did it. Let’s hope this is a positive sign of a healthy disregard for media-class moaning and Twittermob hysteria."

 

[OxygenJames]

Sweet sweet music.

"You don’t have to have unfettered faith in this Cabinet to see that it feels refreshing. It was always a depressing sign of the times that British politics – not to mention the British media elite, the cultural elite, the university system, the judiciary and all other powerful institutions – were dominated by Remainers. This was a Leave country ruled by Remainer politicians, proof of the chasm that now separates elite opinion from public opinion. The new Cabinet goes some way to rectifying that. Now let’s leave. Properly, fully, with no turning back. Out, out, out."

 

[Fingers]

Special prize for who can figure out who said this:

"In some ways the most admirable thing about the appointment of Cummings is that it suggests Johnson doesn’t care that much what the media class thinks. He must have known that having Cummings at No10 would cause a meltdown among those chattering-class muppets who think Cummings is a mad, criminal mastermind who hoodwinked the electorate in 2016 – and yet he still did it. Let’s hope this is a positive sign of a healthy disregard for media-class moaning and Twittermob hysteria."

Was it Owen Jones?

 

[Woosh]

The new Cabinet goes some way to rectifying that. Now let’s leave. Properly, fully, with no turning back. Out, out, out."

ouch, ouch, ouch.

 

[flecc]

BJ wants to skip the WA and bag an FTA instead.
Don't forget, brexit backers want the Pound to drop further.
it's up to the EU to decide whether it wants the UK to have a transition period or not.

Trade Agreements normally take many years to agree. Four years is regarded as very quick, seven years is par.

Philip Hammond when Foreign Secretary said four years on top of two years transition for an EU trade deal, so six years in all from now.
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[Woosh]

Trade Agreements normally take many years to agree. Four years is regarded as very quick, seven years is par.

Philip Hammond when Foreign Secretary said four years on top of two years transition for an EU trade deal, so six years in all from now.
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BJ knows that the tories would be gone from power before the FTA (with the EU) if it takes too long.

 

[gray198]

Untill you band of muppets voted leave, the country was doing fine and not in any need of saving.

yes happily plodding along in subservience to our EU masters and content with the status quo