he has been written off before he has done anything. That's just the attitude that has given the EU the confidence to treat us like some kind of underdog
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Indeed, the fact that "we" allow ourselves to be duped by homegrown populist muppets waving jingoistic 19th century fantasies (that werent even true then) couldnt possibly have anything to do with it. The EU's confidence has to do with the fact that they are behaving within a legal framework, like reasonable adults.
In terms of BJ. I think that he will stick to his position that we are leaving on 31 October and then he will challenge his MP's to support him or he will call a GE. In the meantime he will be bringing forward policies that the country wants and needs to give him a good start. He will be a much more effective campaigner than TM (you can see that from the energy he has created in the HOC ) and now that JC is out of his ''honeymoon period'' his share of the vote will wither, particularly in leave voting areas. To add to this, if the Brexit Party are convinced that BJ is deadly serious about leaving, they may decide not to stand against the Tory party, so as not to split the vote, but instead they will target Labor seats especially in leave areas. The result could be a much larger majority for the Tories. We should also remember that at the last GE although Labor increased their share of the vote, in Corbyn's honeymoon period so did TM despite the dire campaign. To me this shows that Labor will never get into power while they have the hard left in charge. There are many capable people in the Labor party who could give the Tories a good run for their money, but not among the current front bench
There is some truth there .. but engineering has always been about the 100 year flood, accountants have a 1 year mindset.
Local conditions matter.. we in the British iles .. or Islands if the North Atlantic ,as I prefer, might have 6 freeze thaw cycles in a single winters day.. unheard of in Mainland Europe
I would agree with that Danidl. We have always suffered from short term planning and cheapskate solutions
although we are connected to the EU with cables and pipes and can't cut them anytime soon, the cost/benefits analysis is very different now compared to the 60s and early 70s.
Vernon Bogdanor:
"Britain entered Europe for quite different reasons than those of the original six members.
She joined because she had run out of alternatives, she was desperately seeking to avoid further slipping down in its international position. She joined if you like on the basis of a cost benefit analysis.
The essence of the problem was one of fitting Britain into a continental system whose assumption about constitution, politics and economics were so different from those held in Britain.
The most fundamental problem perhaps was that of fitting a constitution system based on the sovereignty of Parliament and the absence of the codified constitution into one based on a written constitution, with the separation of powers and subordination of the legal system of the member states to superior system of European law.”
You wouldnt understand. The fact that you look at boris and see a great leader says it all really.
EU law has served us well and our absence of a codified constitution and westminster system with its layers of corruption, lobbying and special interest groups like erg rather less so.
Of course not, does nationalising rail and water sound like doing nothing?
That's without mentioning all the other changes they want to introduce in society.
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sorry didn't realise I was in the company of intellectual giants
They have fairly new and inventive ways of losing voters aswell.
This just one of many.
Dont understimate Corbyn, he is a master at alienating normal voters. He appeals to the dim witted idealistic dreamers.
His changes to IHT would see tax due up from about £40k ( for a couple with total Estate of approx £800k) to around £200k. Then knock off funeral expenses and Solicitor fees and that £800k estate the couple worked their entire lives building is now worth around £500k.
(Assuming first deceased spouse only left to remaining one,ie last deceased gets 2 IHT allowances)
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Which is why I put it as a hypothetical inauguration in a very hot summer. Goodness knows how many billions and it is restricted to low speed on the day - would at the very least not look good.
The comparisons are valid for the simple reason that for many decades we've had the global warming change warnings and ever increasing data about the truth of those.
It doesn't matter that the extremes seem rare, that they can happen is enough to equip ourselves against them.
It's our repeated failures to do that which has led to one environmental emergency after another almost every year. If it's not floods drowning homes, it's snow paralysing roads and airports, if not those it's heat disruption disrupting rail and melting roads. There's also the very high wind and tornado events damaging inadequate buildings, and all the while air pollution causing increasing respiratory problems getting increasingly out of control.
It's not enough to say these events are rare. Collectively these disruptions are now far from rare and will increasingly worsen in frequency and scale.
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No, being able to see boris, or farage, for what they really are take surprisingly little intelect.
National rail and water are not failures. The world's best rail systems are all national ones and the worst ones usually privately owned and failed.
And the fundamental need of water for sustaining life means it should never be a subject of profit making. Putting it's access under private control is as evil as controlling what air we are allowed to breathe.
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Rory Stewart wants to see a written constitution so that our PM can be subjected to justice.
Under the current system, BJ can take us out of the EU without parliament's consent.
He does not even have to lift a finger.
the only recourse that parliament can use, after the deed is done, is for JC to call a vote of no confidence.
If JC does not want to do that, nobody else can start a motion of no confidence, even if most of his MPs would vote with the motion.
Jonathan was posting the truth. The EU isn't treating us badly, they are merely sticking to the terms for leaving that we've always agreed to for decades.
We are being the awkward ones, voting to leave but pretending those terms don't exist, wanting special treatments that the EU couldn't possibly grant and presenting them with a border that is or isn't a border depending which side one looks at it.
Then thinking the answer to all these is in the outdated clown-like personality of Boris Johnson bluffing with nonsense about great nation status again. His populist BS simply isn't going to cut any ice in Brussels or with any of the other 27 nation members.
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