There are no terms of leaving.
Both sides are making it up as they go along. That's the problem.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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There are no terms of leaving.
Both sides are making it up as they go along. That's the problem.
So you've never heard of articles 49 and 50?
And remember, we also agreed to the structure of the departure talks.
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after BJ takes us out without a deal, the backstop is naturally eliminated.
The EU will be forced to give BJ some concession on the backstop if they want us to have an implementation period.
Of course.
I don't think so, I think they will play him as hard ball as he's trying to play them. They can afford to far more than we can.
Eventually that's inevitable. Whether Johnson likes it or not, it's the reality.
Unless of course a GE puts the Tories out of power and we have a new reality.
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Good article
www.independent.co.uk
Johnson himself is the master, so adept he tells lies even when he has no need to, such as announcing he’d just voted in an election in which he had no vote. Soon we’ll be used to his answers at Prime Minister’s Questions, when Jeremy Corbyn asks about NHS waiting lists and Johnson replies, “My father invented tomatoes, I taught Brian Cox how to look at stars, I discovered Kent, my penis is the shape of a canon used by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo.”
Mark Steel: The truth is the last thing that will set us free from Boris Johnson and his X-men of liars
The duplicitous prime minister hasn’t just changed the rules, he’s playing a different game. It’s time for us to learn it and beat him at it
www.independent.co.uk
Johnson himself is the master, so adept he tells lies even when he has no need to, such as announcing he’d just voted in an election in which he had no vote. Soon we’ll be used to his answers at Prime Minister’s Questions, when Jeremy Corbyn asks about NHS waiting lists and Johnson replies, “My father invented tomatoes, I taught Brian Cox how to look at stars, I discovered Kent, my penis is the shape of a canon used by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo.”
it's true if it comes to trade war but I don't think either side will seriously consider that.
The reality is the backstop will never come.
The key difference between TM's and BJ's administrations is the implementation period, worth about £17 BN to the EU.
TM wants it, BJ is prepared to do without.
As someone who has benefited a little from bequests , I wonder would that be a bad thing. . There are pernicious elements in the tax codes which reward privilege. If those billions were released, it would allow lower tax on the living and stop the development of dynasties
But you are best represented by this man, he is going to get you your precious Brexit.Good article
Mark Steel: The truth is the last thing that will set us free from Boris Johnson and his X-men of liars
The duplicitous prime minister hasn’t just changed the rules, he’s playing a different game. It’s time for us to learn it and beat him at it
Johnson himself is the master, so adept he tells lies even when he has no need to, such as announcing he’d just voted in an election in which he had no vote. Soon we’ll be used to his answers at Prime Minister’s Questions, when Jeremy Corbyn asks about NHS waiting lists and Johnson replies, “My father invented tomatoes, I taught Brian Cox how to look at stars, I discovered Kent, my penis is the shape of a canon used by the Duke of Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo.”
Not done anything? Broken two promises in two days is very good start.
And lied to Parliament about his visit to Cambridge Analytica.
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That is his contention.. Not ours and not the view of the EU. The only concession he will get, is the one available all the time.... restrict the Backstop to NI . NI needs the whole Ireland market even more than we in the South do.
The notion of doing a new WA is absurd. Even were it going to happen over time, BJ as PM s public statement has scuppered that. The EU will not be bullied on this... In fact what he has done is make the Irish case ironclad. Compare if you wish the measured tones of Simon Coveney ,and the language from the Dispatch Box.
There is article in todays Irish times comparing the proposal to walk away from the agreed payments with the actions of the Irish State in 1923 onwards, when they reneaged on Land Annuities effectively debt default .. and what it cost us.
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How great would Ireland be if they lost their sense of victimhood?
I guess we will never know.
Well that mantle moves across the Irish sea now.. see how well it fits. We will be hearing about the EU bullying from September to Doomsday.
I doubt it.
The EU is in a sharp decline. The Euro is in a parlous state. Too much debt.
BJ wants to skip the WA and bag an FTA instead.
Don't forget, brexit backers want the Pound to drop further.
it's up to the EU to decide whether it wants the UK to have a transition period or not.
What he wants and what he gets are not the same. He will need to substantially revisit the WA before any EU FTA, even begins to emerge. To reuse a quote from the Chairman of a major bank, BJ will be in the position of twisting the tail of the EU Dog. .. Not a very safe place to be.
just the old labor policies. Tax those who work hard so you can give it to the feckless and create more welfare state clients in the hope of keeping power