Brexit, for once some facts.

gray198

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the problem is the arithmetic of our parliament. No deal was taken off the table with just one vote. Even so, there is no majority at the moment among MPs for any brexit.
probably the vote of a convicted criminal . Now she has been kicked out we could have the vote again being as circumstances have changed
 
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oldgroaner

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I’m struggling to understand your logic. Slow down and try again.

I’m sure it makes sense in your mind but you have to make it so other people can understand it or the whole thing becomes pointless.
And it should have made sense to you too,
I used simple words
 

oldgroaner

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it hasn't hit anything. Parliament remains undecided after 3 years or haggling.
The correct way is JC's way: new GE.
This time, Labour should campaign for a soft brexit with confirmatory referendum.
Why should they campaign for something a minority wants?
 

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probably the vote of a convicted criminal . Now she has been kicked out we could have the vote again being as circumstances have changed
The drawback with your notion is that leave campaign leaders in parliament are ones who have clearly committed criminal acts too and there are more of them than one person
 

oldgroaner

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Todays Fake News in the Daily Express and a classic case of distortion too
Westminster CHAOS: Brexit Party SURGES AHEAD of Tories in shock general election poll
THE Conservatives have been dealt another crushing blow after a shock new poll indicated Britons could vote for the Brexit Party over the Tories in a general election, in a move certain to send shockwaves throughout Westminster.
READ MORE: Could Brexit Party ACTUALLY win general election? Ashcroft poll result hint
The latest YouGov poll for The Times of 1,763 people surveyed from May 28-29 showed the Tories would be languishing in last position among the leading political parties. The Conservative Party, currently led by Theresa May until next Friday before a leadership contest takes place, polled just 19 percent of the vote - the same amount amassed by Labour. The huge surge in support for the Brexit Party has continued, attracting more than a fifth (22 percent) of the vote, following their complete domination of rival political parties in last weekend’s European elections.
Hidden here is the truth
"in a surprise twist, the Liberal Democrats, who also performed above expectations in the recent EU polls, have come out on top, with nearly a quarter (24 percent) of the vote."

So why doesn't the headline read shock victory for the Liberal Democrats and remain?
 

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Why should they campaign for something a minority wants?
there is no majority for WTO brexit.
A lot of people may say 'just get us out' - not many can articulate reasons for any one form of brexit. Not so long ago, EFTA membership was discussed quite favourably, until the hard brexiters put a stop to it.
 
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So why doesn't the headline read shock victory for the Liberal Democrats and remain?
they have another headline:

Disaster for Brexit? SHOCK poll suggests pro-EU Lib Dems on track to WIN general election
It seems that the two articles share the same YouGov poll but written up by two different journalists.

 

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Todays Fake News in the Daily Express and a classic case of distortion too
Westminster CHAOS: Brexit Party SURGES AHEAD of Tories in shock general election poll
THE Conservatives have been dealt another crushing blow after a shock new poll indicated Britons could vote for the Brexit Party over the Tories in a general election, in a move certain to send shockwaves throughout Westminster.
READ MORE: Could Brexit Party ACTUALLY win general election? Ashcroft poll result hint
The latest YouGov poll for The Times of 1,763 people surveyed from May 28-29 showed the Tories would be languishing in last position among the leading political parties. The Conservative Party, currently led by Theresa May until next Friday before a leadership contest takes place, polled just 19 percent of the vote - the same amount amassed by Labour. The huge surge in support for the Brexit Party has continued, attracting more than a fifth (22 percent) of the vote, following their complete domination of rival political parties in last weekend’s European elections.
Hidden here is the truth
"in a surprise twist, the Liberal Democrats, who also performed above expectations in the recent EU polls, have come out on top, with nearly a quarter (24 percent) of the vote."

So why doesn't the headline read shock victory for the Liberal Democrats and remain?
Frightening that anyone would vote for a party without a manifesto. And which is a company without members.
 

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Both polls show how sick people are of the main parties.
they may be sick with the confrontational setup we have in parliament, two leaders facing one another every Wednesday at noon to hurl criticism and sometimes insults at their opposite number.
Last night BBCQT was not the usual shouting the other side down. For once, you can listen to both sides, including those in the audience.
Perhaps it's the Epsom factor or the EP vote factor (remain side had more votes).
 

oldgroaner

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When people voted in the EU elections , I wonder if they really knew what they were voting for
Here are the parties that the MEP actually belong to in the EU Parliament.
isn't it just a bit curious that few if any people have the slightest notion of the actual parties their MEPS belong to?
https://election-results.eu/national-results/united-kingdom/2019-2024/


Obviously the BXP in the guise of the EFDD is not in the majority
it only got 4 more seats than last time despite the fanfares
And allegedly it does many things never reported in the EU media

http://www.efddgroup.eu
Lord Nigel
And in their charter is this lovely piece
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More democracy and respect of People's will
Convinced that the legitimate level for democracy lies with the Nation States, their regions and parliaments since there is no such thing as a single European people; the Group opposes further European integration (treaties and policies) that would exacerbate the present democratic deficit and the centralist political structure of the EU. The Group favours that any new treaties or any modification of the existing treaties are to be submitted to the peoples’ vote through free and fair national referenda in the Member States. The Group does believe that the legitimacy of any power comes from the will of its Peoples and their right to be free and democratically ruled.
How do you square that with the notion that another referendum here is "an insult to democracy, Nigel"

And how many who voted in the EU election on any side can claim they knew what they were voting for?
The truth is that very few like me ever bother to actually check, do they.
And I might add the silence is deafening in the media on the subject.

Absolutely appalling!
 

oldgroaner

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there is no majority for WTO brexit.
A lot of people may say 'just get us out' - not many can articulate reasons for any one form of brexit. Not so long ago, EFTA membership was discussed quite favourably, until the hard brexiters put a stop to it.
There is no majority for Brexit anywhere.
 

oldgroaner

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they have another headline:

Disaster for Brexit? SHOCK poll suggests pro-EU Lib Dems on track to WIN general election
It seems that the two articles share the same YouGov poll but written up by two different journalists.

It's known as "The Editor's Day off syndrome"

leave voter comments are amusing

"Remainers in charge of this poll will try tell us anything. Do they honestly think most Brexit voters go on the yougov website and spend one second of their valuable time to take part in this farce, not a chance. The only poll we will be interested in is the exit poll on the day of the next GE.
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"A poll of 1,700 ppl?? hahahaha, yawn, we prefer the NATIONWIDE polls like the EU ref/GE/EU election where the leavers WIN EVERY TIME, despite what the biased polls claim, bless
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You know when the remoaners are rattled they produce biased fake polls after a massive defeat, their MEPs also abuse the other BP MEP candidate WINNERS, LOL
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Had the poll been the other way of course... and they complain people call them stupid too..
Can't think why
 
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oldgroaner

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About the lies on that bus.

View attachment 30652
Obviously from the same people
Great stuff OJ, it demostrates how your really are struggling to find a sales pitch in favour of Brexit.

By the way which brand of Brexit do you like?

The full Monty with WTO, Tax Haven protection thrown in reduced workers rights and Fox Hunting, and it makes America Great Again.

Or one of the Brino variants? (you can still work some neat swindles on the public on the quiet with that one and they won't notice when you sellout to Trump or the Chinese and dismantle the NHS (as in the first choice above)
 
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