But following brexit ive become quite attached to representative democracy. If the public are thick enough to get taken in by the likes of boris and farage, id rather they dont have their sweaty paws directly on the tiller.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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How does Nation States work with respect to, for example, countries consisting of several countries? Like, err, ummm, oh yes, the UK!When people voted in the EU elections , I wonder if they really knew what they were voting for
Here are the parties that the MEP actually belong to in the EU Parliament.
isn't it just a bit curious that few if any people have the slightest notion of the actual parties their MEPS belong to?
https://election-results.eu/national-results/united-kingdom/2019-2024/
Obviously the BXP in the guise of the EFDD is not in the majority
it only got 4 more seats than last time despite the fanfares
And allegedly it does many things never reported in the EU media
http://www.efddgroup.eu
Lord Nigel
And in their charter is this lovely piece
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More democracy and respect of People's will
How do you square that with the notion that another referendum here is "an insult to democracy, Nigel"
And how many who voted in the EU election on any side can claim they knew what they were voting for?
The truth is that very few like me ever bother to actually check, do they.
And I might add the silence is deafening in the media on the subject.
Absolutely appalling!
A slight problem with the above. We haven't left yet.
It's been more than a bit difficult, it's proved impossible with a lockdown.
But in the light of the public's far greater knowledge of the implications, a new vote, however marginal, will be an order to parliament that they cannot refuse, whether Leave with No Deal or Remain.
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"However Marginal"....A 51% to 49% vote would solve nothing. It would have to be a substantial margin either way to put this one to bed .
As far as parliament is concerned it would be final, resolving the impasse.
Of course among the public it will not be settled, even with a far larger margin. The Leave and Remain positions are too diametrically opposed to be harmoniously settled, unless we leave and long experience out of the EU finalises which has been best overall. Could be a very painful experience though.
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Half those lies were predictions on what would happen after the vote itself - not actually leaving.
But - facts eh? Who cares for those. If they don't fit your narrative - change or ignore them.
As we know from what he did in London, the word isn't fix, but it does begin with f.
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That attachment showed that for the YouGov poll question one had to answer 'Other' before you saw that the Brexit party was an option. As in - it was not one of the first choices.
Maybe you don't have the smarts to see the implications - but I assume some others here will.
Perhaps you should put the Daily Mirror down and read something a tad more intellectually demanding for a while.
Well - like most things Flecc it depends on who you listen to. Plenty of people thought Boris did well in both his first and second terms. You're not one of them obviously - but thats no great surprise now is it?
Bottom line now is that we're dealing with a massively split opinion on all this - countrywide I mean. People are fleeing the middle ground and camping out at the extremes.
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Oxygen levels are good - gravity is working well here in Surrey - I have at least enough money to cover my bills for the month - so basically I don't give a rats arse. Not right now I mean. Oh if I think about it I give a rats arse.
The trick is to enjoy the moments when you're not thinking about it.
As I've already posted, he managed the first term by continuing with Ken Livingstone's policies. But when those he introduced came into effect in the second term it was a litany of high costs and failures.
The idiotic very high cost new routemaster bus he proposed and introduced has been a complete failure. We told him it would be but he wouldn't listen, not even to industry experts. The order and production have been cancelled and the ones we have are very unreliable and far too expensive to run. Above all, for safety reasons they are unable to do what Boris Johnson intended, again as he was told in advance.
He wrecked Ken's hire bike scheme by slashing it to a much smaller area at introduction, which meant it could no longer produce planned earnings. So we taxpayers had to foot the extra bill and eventually Barclays withdrew their cash support. Now we are enlarging it considerably with a new sponsor to undo the damage he did.
He closed the Western extension of the congestion charge to please his wealthy buddies in Knightsbridge, Kensington and Chelsea, thus slashing London's income. Now we are extending the zone again to put things right.
He strongly supported the ridiculous garden bridge proposal from some elite twits. That's been cancelled at a cost of £53 millions, it could never have worked as intended.
Another of his crazy schemes was the cable chair lift to cross the Thames. At £4 a crossing Londoners won't use it, so it's just become a costly tourist plaything.
At a time when we were doing everything to encourage cycling, he slashed £24 million per annum from the cycling budget.
So I don't care for the opinion of those who think he did well, I care for the proven facts. Add his incompetent performance as Foreign Secretary and it can be seen he's a walking disaster area.
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Also, possibly difficult to fix anything if you are in gaol...
(Not that I consider gaol to be a likely outcome.)
I'm sure he'll be acquitted, the case is fundamentally weak and I think only brought for political reasons at the worst possible moment.
I wouldn't want Boris Johnson as PM, but I don't approve of dirty tricks to try to prevent that.
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A second response to this to put the record straight.
I almost always vote Tory in my borough council elections, the record showing they often do a much better job of running a borough.
I've also voted Tory in many General Elections, since I decide on manifestos and those involved. Accordingly I never voted for Blair and his New Labour stunt.
These show I had no pre bias against Johnson in a local authority function on the grounds he is a Tory. But knowing his overt dishonesty and newspaper background I had serious doubts as to his suitability. Those doubts proved well founded.
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