There's never been anything stopping us controlling our borders. It's solely our incompetence that's been letting so many in.
The same incompetence that will make Brexit a failure.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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The same incompetence that will make Brexit a failure.
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the vast majority are totally legal immigrants.
Ordinary people may not want more immigrants but businesses do, and government simply reacts to it by issuing more visas.
The trend is 11% more visas a year!
How are you going to square that circle?
That was the component when I mentioned incompetence. We've never really tried to prevent anyone sneaking in, passing the control buck to France, having wholly inadequate checking here, running down our coastal protections which have always been inadequate anyway, turning a blind eye to the employment of illegals when it was convenient.
I wouldn't, it doesn't need squaring if the illegal immigration is controlled since the numbers then would be much smaller.
And if our government hadn't set Brexit in motion, we wouldn't have lost EU workers, necessitating immigrants from elsewhere. i.e. Caused by more incompetence.
Almost the entire problem is self inflicted, the EU playing virtually no part.
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The same Guardian that reported that Carl Benjamin was under investigation by the police for a Twitter Tweet. I'll translate what it means for you. Someone, who doesn't like Nigel Farage, sent a slanderous letter to the EU fraud watchdog. The watchdog read the letter (that's their investigation complete) and chucked it in the bin. Nobody can therefore argue that The Guardian is lying. Idiots read something from the story that isn't there, get outraged and spread the story. That's how fake news works.
I can do the same. Oyster, the well known member of the Pedelecs forum is currently under investigation for setting off a nail bomb in Nice that injured many people. That story is completely true because VRF400 sees the news about the nail bomb and looks at the photo to see whether any Pedelecs forum members are hanging around in the background, so yes. Oyster along with all other Pedelecs members were under investigation for about 10 seconds. If I had sent an email to the counter terrorism squad because "I thought I heard from an undisclosed source" that you had planned to do something like that, I could have changed the story to Oyster is under investigation by the counter terrorism squad for being involved in the nail bomb attack.
There was considerably more presumption of innocence in both the Guardian story and my post than you display in your response.
Very true, cynicism is an essential tool in receiving news.
Back in the days of South African apartheid I demonstrated this on a few occasions, getting people to turn off the television sound when viewing film from there so they couldn't hear the anti-apartheid propaganda of the commentary.
While apartheid was undoubtedly bad in many ways; as I showed on those occasions, the South African blacks were visually very obviously the best dressed and best fed in the whole of Africa at the time. Now, free of apartheid, they are very often in rags and reduced to crime or other desperate acts to get enough food.
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You aren't expecting sense from him are you? talk about optimism, somehow he will manage blame the EU for everything including the weather
We have full control of our borders but can't afford to keep the people we need out, and that isn't going to change, is it?
Why do you let him torment you with his nonsense? he is simply making a nuisance of himself as usual.
No chance. The man has no chance. Well 16/1 if you want to throw your money away.
I want to be Minister responsible for 'not-getting-pointlessly-sucked-into-arguments'. Is that post still available?
It's Boris's to lose. He just needs to get in the top two - then when its over to the voting Tory party members (eg me) - then Boris is our man.
If what he did in London is anything to go by, he will be a disaster.
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Personal view (as if I ever state any other right?) - Farage is not interested in power - not actual PM power - he just wants Brexit. Look at his latest Tweet:
"Theresa May has been the worst prime minister in Britain’s history. Her successor will fare no better unless they vow to take the UK out of the EU by 31 October."
It's clear to me he will disband the Brexit party if whoever takes over gets the job done.
"Theresa May has been the worst prime minister in Britain’s history. Her successor will fare no better unless they vow to take the UK out of the EU by 31 October."
It's clear to me he will disband the Brexit party if whoever takes over gets the job done.
We can and always have had the power to control non-EU migration. Non-EU migration is not linked to our membership of the EU. Politicians encourage you to think it is an EU related problem because it gets them off the hook and they can pass the blame. The fact is, our governments have been, and still are useless at border control. Even if we come out of the EU, migration will stay the same or increase.
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he'll sell his company (which owns the BXP) in an IPO to the brexiteers.
You call VFR a politician?
No, he is here to wind you up.
It is clear to me that he will disband the Brexit Party. The end.
This is what he does, it's his M.O. He pops up, goes on the rampage with popular soundbites, has no clue whatsoever how to implement what he campaigns for and has no plan or vision. He then disappears again and lays in wait for the next band waggon. A real ass-hole.
Mainly because what he did in the first term was carry on with Ken Livingstone's Labour projects like the bike hire scheme for example.
It was only in the second term that the high costs of the changes he made to those, plus the costs and failures of his own newer projects in the second term, like the catastrophic new Routemaster bus, Garden Bridge and cable lift came to light that the truth of his utter incompetence was revealed for all to see.
He didn't stand a chance then, which is why he ran away, his usual tactic.
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