Why should I bother?
I grow weary of your diversionary tactics this thread is about brexit,not your personal soapbox, you appear to be unwilling to discuss it , so why are you here?
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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I grow weary of your diversionary tactics this thread is about brexit,not your personal soapbox, you appear to be unwilling to discuss it , so why are you here?
If the" impractical backstop protocol " refers to including the whole of the UK and not just a 2/3 of a province,then that is plausible. Remember it was inserted at the request of the UK, following hissy fits from the DUP.
The Backstop as the RoI and EU require is that there be no land border on the island of Ireland,.. no less ,no more. It affects 1.5 million in NI The current Backstop in the WA includes the rest of the 60 millions of the UK .
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I don't need to watch what he said to know I don't like him, not after he has just accused Brexit voters of being Nazis. Maybe he should get off his backside and get out to Africa to help some of the storm survivors. After all we wouldn't want any white saviors going out there.
I do not think that is what he said. He was not referring to VOTERs . Now unless the Backers and paymasters are in favour of ethnic cleansing and mass murder, calling them Nazi is also over the top. But you must also recognise that the Nazis came into power in Germany by broadly democratic means. Bully boy tactics, intimidation , scapegoating, victimhood claiming etc notwithstanding.
If you watched the interview he was talking about the ERG and Hard Brexit politicians
David Lammy doubled down after he told supporters of a second EU referendum that Tory MPs in the European Research Group should not be “appeased” in the same way Churchill refused to appease Hitler.
He pointed to ERG chair Jacob Rees-Mogg sharing online a speech by a far right German party and the meeting between Boris Johnson and controversial former Donald Trump aide Steve Bannon.
Asked on the BBC Andrew Marr show this morning if his comments at the rally went too far, the Tottenham MP argued: “I would say I was not strong enough.”
He added: “We have in the ERG, in Jacob Rees-Mogg, someone who is happy to put on to his web pages the horrible racist AFD party - a party that is Islamophobic and on the far right of the German system.”
Mr Lammy noted reports that ERG members had taken to calling themselves “grand wizards” - arguing: “KKK is what it evokes to me when I think of that phrase, and the deep south.”
He added: “I am sorry but very seriously of course we should not appease that, of course we should not appease that.”
And he went on: “I don’t care how elected they are - so was the far right in Germany. They are often elected, often giving a cover for the thugs on the ground.
“When people are experiencing rising hate and extremism in this country we must not concede ground, we must fight it and call it out for what it is.”
There are parallels with Oswald Mosley* in the 30s and 40s and ERG, UKIP Farage and TR
Funnily enough post-war Mosley was very Pro-European! National Party of Europe
David Lammy doubled down after he told supporters of a second EU referendum that Tory MPs in the European Research Group should not be “appeased” in the same way Churchill refused to appease Hitler.
He pointed to ERG chair Jacob Rees-Mogg sharing online a speech by a far right German party and the meeting between Boris Johnson and controversial former Donald Trump aide Steve Bannon.
Asked on the BBC Andrew Marr show this morning if his comments at the rally went too far, the Tottenham MP argued: “I would say I was not strong enough.”
He added: “We have in the ERG, in Jacob Rees-Mogg, someone who is happy to put on to his web pages the horrible racist AFD party - a party that is Islamophobic and on the far right of the German system.”
Mr Lammy noted reports that ERG members had taken to calling themselves “grand wizards” - arguing: “KKK is what it evokes to me when I think of that phrase, and the deep south.”
He added: “I am sorry but very seriously of course we should not appease that, of course we should not appease that.”
And he went on: “I don’t care how elected they are - so was the far right in Germany. They are often elected, often giving a cover for the thugs on the ground.
“When people are experiencing rising hate and extremism in this country we must not concede ground, we must fight it and call it out for what it is.”
There are parallels with Oswald Mosley* in the 30s and 40s and ERG, UKIP Farage and TR
Funnily enough post-war Mosley was very Pro-European! National Party of Europe
I did watch the interview and thought it was slander.
Your justification of such is at best sketchy.
How many deaths were Nazi death camps responsible for, how many have ERG, JRM or any of others caused??
Its ridiculous comparing the two groups. Fine, disagree with ERG and JRM, not sure I fully support their policies, but suggesting they are akin to probably most hated, murderous regime in history is utterly barmy.
I, m coming to conclusion such as Lammy and Abbott are tory plants embedded in labour movemenr to discredit the entire party. They are doing a great job.
How anybody can still support Lammy after that performance is beyond me infact I also wonder if Labour gods have given us Lammy to make Abbott look intelligent and capable, but he cant really do that.
Your justification of such is at best sketchy.
How many deaths were Nazi death camps responsible for, how many have ERG, JRM or any of others caused??
Its ridiculous comparing the two groups. Fine, disagree with ERG and JRM, not sure I fully support their policies, but suggesting they are akin to probably most hated, murderous regime in history is utterly barmy.
I, m coming to conclusion such as Lammy and Abbott are tory plants embedded in labour movemenr to discredit the entire party. They are doing a great job.
How anybody can still support Lammy after that performance is beyond me infact I also wonder if Labour gods have given us Lammy to make Abbott look intelligent and capable, but he cant really do that.
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I listened to Jacob Rees Mogg on LBC this morning. Lammy was discussed and I thought JRM gave a good account of himself. He stated that Lammy’s comparison of a group of people who are overtly pro-Brexit to the Nazi machine which efficiently planned and carried out the systematic murder of millions of people, showed that Lammy had lost all perspective and had discredited himself. I’m no fan of JRM, but on that issue I agree with him.
David Lammy is a disgraceful man. He has a chequered history and a reputation for shooting from the hip. He is a token black-man pathetically trying to surf the black ticket in the Labour Party. He is completely devoid of any intelligence, talent or credibility. A classic example of “Quota Filling Gone Bad.” There are millions of very talented people from a visible ethnic background, how did they end up with that idiotic fool. Corbyn should put him out with the bins on collection day next Thursday.
Its part of the syndrome we have witnessed on here. Calling posters racist because they voted Leave... Merely demonstrates a lack of knowledge about leavers and racists and a desperation in resorting to ridiculous analogies.
Lammy has shown himself up.
I agree. There is nothing remotely racist about the principle of Brexit. I believe that Brexit is a bad idea, but it is not a Nazi or a racist plot. To suggest that it is illustrates just how unhinged some people are.
Having said the above, I will acknowledge that racists tend to support Brexit rather than remain, but that is not the fault of those who support Brexit for other genuinely held beliefs or opinions.
Good post, point well made and accepted.
EU has always had its eye on UK...
https://mol.im/a/6924447
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Usual nonsense trying to put a spin on to suit your agenda! no one mentioned death camps till you just did, your problem is you understand absolutely nothing about how the fascist insinuate themselves into societies.
And here you are defending vermin.
First you post
"Its part of the syndrome we have witnessed on here. Calling posters racist because they voted Leave "
Then you applaud this post
"Having said the above, I will acknowledge that racists tend to support Brexit rather than remain, but that is not the fault of those who support Brexit for other genuinely held beliefs or opinions.
So you agree racists voted for Brexit?
well I never!
I suspect that you never truly read full posts, just stop at a juicy bit that suits you!
Of course people with what could be termed as, a racist outlook, voted to leave. It's undeniable. A balanced, stable and healthy mind would also accept that people who could be termed as racist will have cast a remain vote too. There are racist people amongst the voting population, so racists will vote. Voting to Leave or Remain can not be considered to be an indication of whether someone is racist, unless the mind is diseased, as in the case of David Lammy.
First I would like someone to explain how the majority of the population came to these "Genuinely held beliefs" when all they had ever been exposed to was lies about the EU?
Then of course here's nothing racist about Brexit, it's more all embracing than that, it's just against Johnny foreigners coming here, and demands the removal of our own rights to free movement.
in a way its a sort of Suprematist/Isolationist movement
A sort of Monastic order for the terminally afraid to compete, that has managed to turn an urge to "Take back Control"
Into being at the mercy of all and sundry , begging for scraps.
And what may one ask is in it for anyone without cash squirreled away in an offshore account?
Absolutely nothing but trouble and strife.
After all they can't promise extra jobs here when they say we have "Full employment" can they?
And now we have the problem that we need more of the "Johnny Foreigners" and the Government is trying to sell that idea to people that voted for the opposite!
Because our people don't want the jobs these immigrants were doing.
Meanwhile our ever popular "I deserve a peace prize" Tonyness is pushing even more away from Labour. They do a great job between them.
https://mol.im/a/6923537
Whats point of making these proclamations. Does it actually influence anybody? Another Labourite (ok sort of) on Tory pay roll.
https://mol.im/a/6923537
Whats point of making these proclamations. Does it actually influence anybody? Another Labourite (ok sort of) on Tory pay roll.
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So a mind is diseased because you assert that to be the case?
And all because of an expressed opinion?