Brexit, for once some facts.

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Hmm!
They were indeed words that tend to inflame, but then again it is considered fair comment for Tory politicians to refer to Corbyn as an unreconstructed Marxist isn't it?
And a great deal of truth was revealed about the conservatives and their attitude to Hitler in this interview.


His mistake was to tell the truth, not smart in politics.
Jeez, here we go again. Someone has a different opinion to me so he's a Nazi. I thought that guy said some interesting things in the other video, but this show's him to be just another bigoted tosser.
 

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If you had followed the whole story, you would have understood why he did what he did. Having followed his story from more or less the beginning, I would say that I would trust him a lot more than most politicians. I'd also trust him more than most of the mainstream media reporters. I wouldn't vote for him because of my own politics. I'm not a fanboy, but what I can say is that the guy is highly intelligent, extremely brave, and some of the population need a guy like that to represent them. It's not his politics that interest me, it's the way the establishment has treated him. If they can do that to him, they can do it to anyone. You know that he was jailed for an offence that wasn't actually an offence without a trial, without a jury, without any legal representation and without any right of appeal? Is that British justice? As I keep telling you, if you watch any of his videos, you will soon change your opinion., but you prefer to remain ignorant and bleat out what you hear in the mainstream media. That's your choice.
Here you go again... You make statements about someone being jailed for an offence which is not an offence ,without identifying what it was he was charged with etc. I am as interested in civil liberties as many are, but I have no interest in wading through probably self serving videos to find out... .
If you have an allegation , make it and provide your evidence.
Your postings are getting to read like a deranged President creating untrue facts and passing them off with "I was told by someone ....".
 
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Jeez, here we go again. Someone has a different opinion to me so he's a Nazi. I thought that guy said some interesting things in the other video, but this show's him to be just another bigoted tosser.
Actually you just showed huge ignorance of history
 
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If you had followed the whole story, you would have understood why he did what he did. Having followed his story from more or less the beginning, I would say that I would trust him a lot more than most politicians. I'd also trust him more than most of the mainstream media reporters. I wouldn't vote for him because of my own politics. I'm not a fanboy, but what I can say is that the guy is highly intelligent, extremely brave, and some of the population need a guy like that to represent them. It's not his politics that interest me, it's the way the establishment has treated him. If they can do that to him, they can do it to anyone. You know that he was jailed for an offence that wasn't actually an offence without a trial, without a jury, without any legal representation and without any right of appeal? Is that British justice? As I keep telling you, if you watch any of his videos, you will soon change your opinion., but you prefer to remain ignorant and bleat out what you hear in the mainstream media. That's your choice.
I watched them as saw a con man justifying himself and living in self denial.
This thread concerns Brexit for once some facts.
Please save your nonsense for some other more appropriate forum .
 
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If you had followed the whole story, you would have understood why he did what he did. Having followed his story from more or less the beginning, I would say that I would trust him a lot more than most politicians. I'd also trust him more than most of the mainstream media reporters. I wouldn't vote for him because of my own politics. I'm not a fanboy, but what I can say is that the guy is highly intelligent, extremely brave, and some of the population need a guy like that to represent them. It's not his politics that interest me, it's the way the establishment has treated him. If they can do that to him, they can do it to anyone. You know that he was jailed for an offence that wasn't actually an offence without a trial, without a jury, without any legal representation and without any right of appeal? Is that British justice? As I keep telling you, if you watch any of his videos, you will soon change your opinion., but you prefer to remain ignorant and bleat out what you hear in the mainstream media. That's your choice.
let me say first that I know nothing about the man other than seeing him on TV, speaking at various marches of the far right such as the EDL and recently, the brexit march in London.
One point though, he received very large donations, much more than I've earned in my whole working life.
What did he do with all that money?
 

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From the Express
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BREXIT BREAKTHROUGH: EU to SACRIFICE crucial red line to deliver Brexit BEFORE election
BRUSSELS may be finally ready to give up on the "impractical" backstop protocol agreed with Theresa May in the withdrawal agreement rejected by Parliament three times, claimed Tory Brexiteer Iain Duncan-Smith.

So it isn't a breakthrough ,just IDS making up fake news
 
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let me say first that I know nothing about the man other than seeing him on TV, speaking at various marches of the far right such as the EDL and recently, the brexit march o London.
One point though, he received very large donations, much more than I've earned in my whole working life.
What did he do with all that money?
Served his master's purposes in causing disruption, same old fascist we've seen before so often.
 
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Hmm!
They were indeed words that tend to inflame, but then again it is considered fair comment for Tory politicians to refer to Corbyn as an unreconstructed Marxist isn't it?
And a great deal of truth was revealed about the conservatives and their attitude to Hitler in this interview.


His mistake was to tell the truth, not smart in politics.

I’m not sure. I’ve watched the interview again and I think it is reasonable to assume that David Lammy is a mental ninja, a fully signed up yo-yo inspector. His antecedence also points towards him being a mentalpiece, displaying the all distinguishing signs of a mentalplegic.
 

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I’m not sure. I’ve watched the interview again and I think it is reasonable to assume that David Lammy is a mental ninja, a fully signed up yo-yo inspector. His antecedence also points towards him being a mentalpiece, displaying the all distinguishing signs of a mentalplegic.
Perfect labour leader material at moment then.
We seem plagued with a plethora of rather low moralled MPs. Lammy was fined £5000 for instigating 36000 automatic phone calls in support of his 2016 mayoral campaign. His excuse, he didnt realise it was a crime. He's a barrister. Not good is it.
He,s shouting off for attention.
Dont think he actually knows what Nazis were. Levelling that insult at JRM is quite ridiculous and shows himself up.
In reality some of his own party members are much nearer especially, rather obviously, politically.
 
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Perfect labour leader material at moment then.
Exactly. This is why we have no alternative to the Tory government. Labour have a few appealing ideas, but it’s all overshadowed by the nutjobs filling their party ranks. Labour seems to have become a sort of “Rampton” for the politically insane and that is a great shame.

I think I would rather have the hardest of Brexits than Labour’s army of head-cripples running the country.
 

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Perfect labour leader material at moment then.
We seem plagued with a plethora of rather low moralled MPs. Lammy was fined £5000 for instigating 36000 automatic phone calls in support of his 2016 mayoral campaign. His excuse, he didnt realise it was a crime. He's a barrister. Not good is it.
He,s shouting off for attention.
Dont think he actually knows what Nazis were. Levelling that insult at JRM is quite ridiculous and shows himself up.
In reality some of his own party members are much nearer especially, rather obviously, politically.
He reminds me of a faith-healer priest. I could imagine him ranting, raving and speaking in tongues inside a wrinkly tin chapel somewhere. The crumpled bodies of cripples littering the alter-stage after he had touched them and told them to walk back to their seats.

The man is a complete fake with a modus-operandi of lies, deceit and exaggeration.
 

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Exactly. This is why we have no alternative to the Tory government. Labour have a few appealing ideas, but it’s all overshadowed by the nutjobs filling their party ranks. Labour seems to have become a sort of “Rampton” for the politically insane and that is a great shame.

I think I would rather have the hardest of Brexits than Labour’s army of head-cripples running the country.
Couldnt agree more, but dont say much more about it on here. The labour supporters on here have their heads buried too deep to see the harm situation has caused. You, ll be labelled obsessed.
Lammy, McDonnel, Abbott and Corbyn are worst labour leading MPs in history.
 

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We seem plagued with a plethora of rather low moralled MPs. Lammy was fined £5000 for instigating 36000 automatic phone calls in support of his 2016 mayoral campaign. His excuse, he didnt realise it was a crime. He's a barrister.
I could be a barrister by 2:00 pm this afternoon. Do you honestly think anyone in the Labour system or government has done a thorough background check? It would be interesting to see which cases he has handled and whereabouts those cases were heard. I can guess.
 
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I’m not sure. I’ve watched the interview again and I think it is reasonable to assume that David Lammy is a mental ninja, a fully signed up yo-yo inspector. His antecedence also points towards him being a mentalpiece, displaying the all distinguishing signs of a mentalplegic.
I could do same as vfr400, and suggest you have to listen / watch the youtube videos of David Lammy before deciding that you don't like the man.
Couldnt agree more, but dont say much more about it on here. The labour supporters on here have their heads buried too deep to see the harm situation has caused. You, ll be labelled obsessed.
Lammy, McDonnel, Abbott and Corbyn are worst labour leading MPs in history.
David Lammy had a point, although he did not make it obvious.
If Mrs May gets her deal passed by parliament before she leaves No 10, her deal will still be unpicked by the ERG just as much as the SNP, and Labour etc when it comes to be turned into UK law. Several bills will have to be passed, the ERG won't vote for the £39 billions, Labour won't vote for leaving the customs union, etc
we'll be stuck in the transition period and backstop, we'll have to ask the EU to extend the transition period.
Lammy is correct in saying that the people's vote is already a compromise, it also needs to be more than advisory to force those opposed to brexit not to stop it.

There will need to be either a strong conservative majority backing her deal or the UK won't leave.
 

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Couldnt agree more, but dont say much more about it on here. The labour supporters on here have their heads buried too deep to see the harm situation has caused. You, ll be labelled obsessed.
Lammy, McDonnel, Abbott and Corbyn are worst labour leading MPs in history.
All of which would hardly have mattered if the likes of you hadn't voted for Brexit, it isn't their fault we are in this mess is it?
Sorry Zlatan, but this is your mess, not theirs, and you can hardly complain if no one is capable of coming to your rescue, can you?
 
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I could do same as vfr400, and suggest you have to listen / watch the youtube videos of David Lammy before deciding that you don't like the man.


David Lammy had a point, although he did not make it obvious.
If Mrs May gets her deal passed by parliament before she leaves No 10, her deal will still be unpicked by the ERG just as much as the SNP, and Labour etc when it comes to be turned into UK law. Several bills will have to be passed, the ERG won't vote for the £39 billions, Labour won't vote for leaving the customs union, etc
we'll be stuck in the transition period and backstop, we'll have to ask the EU to extend the transition period.
Lammy is correct in saying that the people's vote is already a compromise, it also needs to be more than advisory to force those opposed to brexit not to stop it.

There will need to be either a strong conservative majority backing her deal or the UK won't leave.
The problem is that whether Lammy is popular or not, his message in this matter rings true.
And until Brexit is resolved the last thing the Labour Party needs is to be in office to share the blame for this Tory catastrophe.
 

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And dont forget when authorities raped and killed our Queen...AD61 isnt that long ago, on seismic scale, and only a second or 2 in Ephamaris Astronomical... Bet some posters on here can remember it.
Nearly all nations guilty somewhere and some time, but the relevant word is, in the "past".
The word is Ephemeris not Ephamaris for a start.
There was no unified Country here is AD61 , and no Monarchy either
The Romans were invaders, Boadicea was actually Chieftain (more or less) of a small tribe called the Iceni, but facts have never troubled you have they?
 
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If you had followed the whole story, you would have understood why he did what he did.
Having some time on my hands yesterday I went back 7 pages in this thread and listened to your video. What a waste of time that was, one long arm waving, gurning rant about how badly he's been treated. Three quarters way through I couldn't stand his repetitive nonsense any more and gave up. He brings most of it on himself; If he wants to avoid most of this trouble all he has to do is start behaving like most other responsible people. If you want to listen to that gesticulating yob, fine, but I've better things to do.

You know that he was jailed for an offence that wasn't actually an offence without a trial, without a jury, without any legal representation and without any right of appeal?
So what, our society is far from perfect, hadn't you noticed? It happens all the time and it's not reserved for "Tommy Robinson". I was once wrongly arrested myself as I arrived home after work, carted off to a local police station and put in a cell for several hours while a police car was sent for me from another area, all without any explanation.

Then collected I was again in a cell at the destination station, still no explanation for a while. Later I was taken out and found what it was about and showed them how the police themselves had made a big mistake. Realising they'd messed up they then got aggressive, one police sergeant threatening me in obscure ways to try to cover up their mistakes,even implying that I must be a crook because I owned two properties.

Eventually I was ejected from that police station half past midnight, far from home and with no money or cards on me having to persuade a taxi driver to do a long trip to get me home where I could pay.

That was the Metropolitan Police for you, the worst force in the country and many of them a shower of lying b*stards who'd stitch anyone up for an advantage.

I never did get any satisfaction from that, but as I've reported before in this forum, I later got my own back stitching them up. During the 1080s I worked in spare time as an investigator with a South London criminal law solicitor defending youngsters who had been easy targets for the police. During that decade we handled a number cases and won every one of them against police prosecutions by using legal aid, keen young barristers and flaws in the cases to secure acquittals.

So I got my satisfaction and it cost the police dear. Indeed I even got a face to face apology from the training officer of W and L divisions of the Met Police at a later date.

Today the closest friend amongst my neighbours is a police officer, albeit with the Surrey force, and I look after his tropical fish when he's away on holiday with his partner.

These are my ways of handling things, I think far more intelligently than "Tommy Robinson".
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