Brexit, for once some facts.
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This is interesting. It confirms what I've been thinking if we can believe it, but we still have the basic problem that we don't know who to trust.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/uk-news-media-least-trusted-among-eight-european-nations-to-get-the-facts-right-and-cover-important-stories-of-the-day-report-shows/
It reminds me about that conundrum where you have two guys. One tells the truth and the other only lies. You have to find out which is which, but you can only ask one question, though that's actually solvable but our press isn't.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/uk-news-media-least-trusted-among-eight-european-nations-to-get-the-facts-right-and-cover-important-stories-of-the-day-report-shows/
It reminds me about that conundrum where you have two guys. One tells the truth and the other only lies. You have to find out which is which, but you can only ask one question, though that's actually solvable but our press isn't.
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Very interesting data, but we have to question the intelligence of the people who presented it. Just look at the figures for Jun 2016. Notice anything? It's easier to see on the source data.
this is the plot for Feb-16 to Sept-16.
Remain led until April then it went South. By May, it was 50/50. By June, Leave was leading slightly.
Some say that it was FB that did it.
I think David Camreon was rubbish on TV debates.
Nevertheless, the polls were correct within 1% either side. This plot is the poll of polls. I remember Prof Curtice carefully warned that leave was having momentum.
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Please explain how Abbott or Corbyn expressing support for Assange, no matter what you think of him, is in any way beneficial to Labour party, their standing or credibility.
It can only harm thier situation and will have no affect whatsoever on the case itself. At this stage they should keep out of it.Especially for Abbott who could be home secretary in future. Think of situation. Abbott home secretary, Assange found guilty of rape and espionage and her supporgting him now. Complete and utter stupidity. She has just reduced her chances of getting in power and it could easily get far worse.
The only crime he committed is skipping bail. Extradition may take years, by then, JC could well be PM.
I think Assange will be out on bail in a few months.
the question that report should ask is which newspapers are the most/least trusted, then match the posters who read them with the editorial leaning of said newspapers. Zlatan reads the Mail and the FT, OG reads the Daily Express every morning since brexit.
Customarily when you make a claim of half a million jobs being created, or are you sighting "Doing a Boris" as a defence?
Speculation at best and still no reason for MPs wishing to get into power expressing support for a person facing charges of rape, which he would be doing had he been available to serve papers but he wasnt, a person facing charges of espionage and guilty of skipping bail.
He might be innocent, he might not, thats up to courts to decide. Perhaps they should offer support for Shephard too, the chap with speed boat at bottom of Thames. He hasnt been found guilty yet, apart from skipping bail.
Correction I read them all and believe none, but quote when something absurd is printed,
And guess which is the most fertile in that department?
The EU Parliament will not give a dam. They know him as a windbag,
The other issue is many seem incapable of realising even though folk read certain papers they are not necessarily influenced by the rhetoric within. Quite the reverse in many cases. The Mail is so blatant its laughable at times, the Guardian much more subtle but biased all the same.
BTW I also read The Economist which to be fair is anti Brexit. (last issue Titled The Silly Isles)
I, d guess Economist is actually sort of Lib Dem biased, but thats a guess. So could be bo!! cox.
Why are you asking me this? I haven't in any way said anything about Corbyn or Abbott in respect of this Assange matter. I've no idea what either of them said on it and have no interest in knowing.
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I think I read it in the daily mirror.Customarily when you make a claim of half a million jobs being created, or are you sighting "Doing a Boris" as a defence?
You hit dislike when I said they hadnt done labour any favours.(post 52198)
Actually he has been tried in his absence, found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to 6 years imprisonment. To that has been added a further six months for skipping bail.
I support Shephard and think he was a fool not to have stayed and appealed, though he is going to appeal now.
The manslaughter charge against him was in my view nonsensical, trumped up to find someone guilty when no-one was guilty of breaking any specific law.
As you well know, one doesn't have to have any qualification to drive a speedboat in the UK, nor is there any such qualification. Anyone can take the helm and do it legally.
Shephard let the girl he was with take the helm for a while which is of course entirely legal. She drove it at speed into a bridge pier, overturning it, killing herself and endangering his life.
One might well say he was irresponsible, but he did nothing illegal and since there is no recognised qualification, she was as fitted to drive it as he was. Her death was accidental at her own hands.
Completely irrelevant evidence was given in the court case to try to blacken Shephard in the jury's eyes, such as emphasis on how fast he'd been driving the boat before, but that of course wasn't pertinent to the accident since he wasn't driving the boat at the time.
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