Brexit, for once some facts.

vfr400

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Don't misunderstand me, I agree with the sentiment of the leave voters wanting to make a protest, the problem is that leaving the EU puts them even more firmly under the thumb from the very people responsible for oppressing them, they have been led to believe their ills were due to the EU, when the government of this country is the real culprit.
You're on the right track and even fighting the same war as these guys, but I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. If I were you, I'd start doing my homework by watching all of Vincent Vendetta's videos. It's only when you watch them all that you start to see the picture emerging. The more I watch, the harder I find it to argue against his evidence, and there's a lot more to come.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6BVAdOwxscJxzD_GNmA_cg
 
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vfr400

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Bet EU are looking forward to seeing Farage back in Brussels. If he gets elected that is.
I love the bit in that story about her boyfriend that fell 5 floors to his death. It seems strange to me how many people that happens to, who have links to prominent people and interesting things, and, of course, the ones that are found hanging by their necks or come to some other grisly end. Mind you that's probably balanced out by those that are supposed to have died, but mysteriously came back to life.

 

oldgroaner

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Utter nonsense. Nobody ever has all the facts. We vote on an instinct. We vote on a gut feeling in the end - because nobody - and I mean nobody EVER has ALL the facts.
Nice try! but there is a world of difference between being incompletey aware of all the facts and being both incredibly ignorant of the nature of the EU and filled with lies and false promises
 
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oldgroaner

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You're on the right track and even fighting the same war as these guys, but I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. If I were you, I'd start doing my homework by watching all of Vincent Vendetta's videos. It's only when you watch them all that you start to see the picture emerging. The more I watch, the harder I find it to argue against his evidence, and there's a lot more to come.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6BVAdOwxscJxzD_GNmA_cg
Oh good grief! I started to watch "Broken Brexit" some idiot wearing a mask , waving his arms and ranting abour pedofiles is your idea of a presenter of evidence?
Do you expect me to listen to rants like this?
Sorry nut jobs don't appeal. Anyone can make childish propaganda videos like that.
The man wasn't capable of making a coherent argument and hadn't even got the guts to show his face.
 
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oldgroaner

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I love the bit in that story about her boyfriend that fell 5 floors to his death. It seems strange to me how many people that happens to, who have links to prominent people and interesting things, and, of course, the ones that are found hanging by their necks or come to some other grisly end. Mind you that's probably balanced out by those that are supposed to have died, but mysteriously came back to life.

I suppose that there is always room for a conspiracy theory buff on here, so welcome aboard.
 
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oldgroaner

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I love the bit in that story about her boyfriend that fell 5 floors to his death. It seems strange to me how many people that happens to, who have links to prominent people and interesting things, and, of course, the ones that are found hanging by their necks or come to some other grisly end. Mind you that's probably balanced out by those that are supposed to have died, but mysteriously came back to life.

What fun, so you want us to believe that NASA launched an empty multi billion Dollar rocket with no crew and arranged for the crew to be "vanished"?
What possible logic applies to this situation?
What sinister purpose could they have had, when if they wanted to launch a Saturn for a dodgy mission, they could simply had done so announcing it was a test launch?

This is all childrens comic nonsense
 
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Nev

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That is the worst people felt, the more likely they were to vote leave, which sounds logical to me. If you feel that you're being short-changed, would you vote to continue with that or for a chance to change it?
That's right but what I never saw in the referendum campaign was how by voting leave it would improved the life chances of millions of people who felt they have been short changed by the system. It was easy for the leave politicians to blame the EU for all the unfairness and lack of opportunities in the UK.

I have yet to see a well reasoned argument how leaving will help all these people, what I tend to see is the opposite.
 

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And from your miniscule sample size you make sweeping predictions about the intentions of 30+m people. Really....
the example of one person is used as the context. Same as vfr400 cites his neighbours for examples.
The predictions are not mine, the polling data is from the natcen, from 75 polls.

The trend is clear, remain leads leave at present by some 12%. the lead is slowly increasing since January 2018.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/?removed

WhatUKThinks_Poll_2675_20190412.jpeg

By the way, NATCEN data was pretty accurate in the weeks leading to the vote in 2016. I remember Prof. John Curtice said on the days before the referendum that leave was slightly ahead.
 
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oldgroaner

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Yup. Predictions huh? Like the one before the ref' when the Bank of England with the IMF and the Chancellor of the Exch predicted 500,000 job losses.

And what actually happened?

So far - around 500,000 jobs created.
Evidence to support that statement 500,000 jobs created please
 
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JRM's sister joins Farage's Brexit party, Boris is back in the (not so good) news...

Boris' column in the Daily Telegraph 'could not be reasonably read as a serious, empirical, in depth analysis of hard factual matters'
He claimed: "a no-deal Brexit was the most popular option among the British public. "

it's only true among the conservative voters.

Will he ever grow up?

 
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OxygenJames

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I have no idea what to make of Assange fiasco but the DM is outraged and has done its best job at a character assisination possible but why oh why do Corbyn and Abbott have such a desire to comment on the situation. They do it everytime, just more ammunition to belittle and stupify Labour.
Its a hornets nest any party leader with any sense avoids at all costs especially so for one in Corbyn's position. There is no point either defending or attacking him, whats the point.
Assange is a dick. He deserves everything he gets.
 

OxygenJames

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Nice try! but there is a world of difference between being incompletey aware of all the facts and being both incredibly ignorant of the nature of the EU and filled with lies and false promises
IYHO.

We could go on like this forever huh?

And probably will.

Well - almost forever.

One of us has got to die before the other.

So there's that to bear in mind.
 

OxygenJames

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what has he actually done?
Trust me he's a dick.

Specifics - well here's just one:

An investigation by Associated Press found that WikiLeaks had failed to redact the names of victims of rape and sexual abuse, and of sufferers from mental illness.

He doesn't really care about people.

I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.
 

Zlatan

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Assange is a dick. He deserves everything he gets.
He may well be but my point was WTF is Corbyn (and Abbott) getting involved for. Just another episode of fools rushing in where angels fear to tread. He walks into it every time. Press will latch onto it and make him look even more stupid.
 
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OxygenJames

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He may well be but my point was WTF is Corbyn (and Abbott) getting involved for. Just another episode of fools rushing in where angels fear to tread. He walks into it every time. Press will latch onto it and make him look even more stupid.
Corbyn and Abbot are robots. They can not help themselves.
 
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Woosh

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Trust me he's a dick.

Specifics - well here's just one:

An investigation by Associated Press found that WikiLeaks had failed to redact the names of victims of rape and sexual abuse, and of sufferers from mental illness.

He doesn't really care about people.

I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.
Do you know how to get hold of that list of names or were there any complaints made by individual victims of his misdeeds?
By the way, Assange was not responsible for the leak that you cited. Assange took refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in 2012.
The two victims I know of are Hilary Clinton and the Pentagon. He was not responsible for Hilary Clinton though.
 
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flecc

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Corbyn and Abbot are robots. They can not help themselves.
It's fashionable at present in politics, Theresa May is much more of a robot than those two. Donald Trump also does some very good robotic impressions whenever he opens his mouth.
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