Brexit, for once some facts.
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that is what stops brexit at the moment.
MPs are not like voters, they have real power, we voters can only hand over the control to one of the MPs. Their job is to make a judgement on our behalf in the national interest.
Would you like them to look at existing facts and be informed about the complexity of world trades before making their judgement?
Yup. Predictions huh? Like the one before the ref' when the Bank of England with the IMF and the Chancellor of the Exch predicted 500,000 job losses.
And what actually happened?
So far - around 500,000 jobs created.
that just confirms that no deal brexit is essentially supported by conservative voters.
Certainly not the will of the people.
No deal may not be on the ballot paper as parliament has legislated against it.
You namby-pamby-liberal-minded-Corbyn-loving-socialist-twanny-faces have NO IDEA what forces you are unleashing through stealing this from us.
Far right? Ha. We will make the 'far right' look like a bunch of pussies.
And we will utterly wipe the f****** floor with Ref-2.
Bring. It. On.
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Even if those figures are correctly reported, conveniently ignores two whole countries.
Like the false origin so favoured when graphs are used in advertising.
that is just the result of reducing unemployment since the crash in 2008.
the fact is the Pound has lost 15%, that's just the price of the vote.
The real cost of brexit will depend on which brexit.
Note also the rise of unemployment before the crash.
That's what happens when market loses confidence in the UK economy. Typically, household borrowing goes up, banks spook, money leaves the country, foreign investment disappears and unemployment rises.
In my neck of the woods youd be labelled "very brave" (before that inevitable subdural haematoma and years in a wheelchair for punching a grizzly). It has nothing to do with corbyn or socialism. But i dont think you can recognise that.
somebody has already pointed out that survey is not across the UK.
The latest polls put remain at 56% and leave at 44%.
12 point lead for remain.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/?removed
(just change the date range to the last 12 months to have full details on each datapoint).
The gap is quickly widened since February and parliament has already excluded no deal brexit. The only way to have no deal is to make Mark Francois the next PM before parliament ratifies the withdrawal treaty.
Unfortunately that's just an opinion too.
It's very easy to make counter arguments to every point raised in that article.
Statements like, "many economists contend..." are just propoganda because there are millions of economists. A logician would interpret that as "most economists don't contend...". It's similar in other articles when people say something "could" happen. Well, there's a finite possibility that aĺl the particles of which you're made could spontaneously disintegrate and reassemble on the moon, so that "could" happen too, but it's not very likely. These sort of statements are never qualified by the probability.
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I would like the MPs to vote for the good of the people they represent and who voted them in, not for their own agendas, which are mostly do do with self-service and self-preservation. Your question could indicate that you're very naieve about what motivates these guys.
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Government is based on typically one third of the vote, about 25% of the population want them, 75% don't.
On top of this, this particular government is paralysed by 10 MPs, members of the DUP after TM paid them £1 billion.
As for brexit, it's the members of the ERG that refuse to vote for it.
Who is naive?
Yes, lots of propaganda, but that's not the whole story. I can remember an article that pointed out that the concentration of leave voters was closely linked to the feeling of economic well-being. That is the worst people felt, the more likely they were to vote leave, which sounds logical to me. If you feel that you're being short-changed, would you vote to continue with that or for a chance to change it?
Don't misunderstand me, I agree with the sentiment of the leave voters wanting to make a protest, the problem is that leaving the EU puts them even more firmly under the thumb from the very people responsible for oppressing them, they have been led to believe their ills were due to the EU, when the government of this country is the real culprit.
This is interesting in the Guardian
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Nigel Farage says Brexit party won’t take money from Arron Banks
New party has had ‘teething problems’ and will rely on small donations, says ex-Ukip leader
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Nigel Farage says Brexit party won’t take money from Arron Banks
New party has had ‘teething problems’ and will rely on small donations, says ex-Ukip leader
And in the Daily Mirror
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No Deal Brexit plans STOOD DOWN after 'wasting' up to £1.5bn in one year
Thousands of civil servants working on an imminent exit have been stood down despite long-term planning carrying on - sparking fury from MPs who say billions was "wasted" after years of austerity
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No Deal Brexit plans STOOD DOWN after 'wasting' up to £1.5bn in one year
Thousands of civil servants working on an imminent exit have been stood down despite long-term planning carrying on - sparking fury from MPs who say billions was "wasted" after years of austerity