I always thought she was nuts.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Not much to argue with in this by Jonathan Freedland, makes a very good argument for staying in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/05/brexit-eu-club-belonging-members-britain
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/05/brexit-eu-club-belonging-members-britain
At the time we are cutting ourselves off fro the EU
This is happening
Which rather proves we are swimming against the stream of History to suit a handful of persuasive Fascist gangsters.
This is happening
Which rather proves we are swimming against the stream of History to suit a handful of persuasive Fascist gangsters.
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Really? They must be wrong then. We’d better start a war and teach them, using bombs and helicopter gun ships, how to live a righteous and full-filling life.
The irony being that most of the warring we have obviously participated in over recent years has been against others who are, at least "officially", monotheistic. Argentina, Iraq, Afghanistan, ...
From the Irish Times
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In early 2016, Darren Grimes, a 21-year-old fashion student from Durham, set up a social media campaign to encourage young people to vote to leave the European Union. “BeLeave” raised the princely sum of £21.51 in three months.
Then, in the two weeks before the Brexit referendum, Grimes received a series of massive donations, including £625,000 from the Vote Leave campaign. This money, it was subsequently discovered, was paid directly to a Canadian data analytics firm called Aggregate IQ. It was never even resting in the young student’s account.
On Tuesday, the UK’s elections watchdog reported Grimes and a senior Vote Leave executive to the police. In a stinging report, the Electoral Commission found that Vote Leave had broken the law by failing to include Grimes’s spending in their return.
The official Leave campaign breached spending limits by almost half a million pounds. That’s a significant amount in British politics, especially in a knife-edge referendum like Brexit.
Nor is this the first time that the British elections regulator has found serious irregularities in how the campaign to leave the EU was won.
In May, another pro-Brexit campaign, Leave.EU, was fined £70,000, again for breaking electoral law. Leave.EU was bankrolled by Arron Banks, a controversial businessman who emerged from obscurity to become the biggest donor in British political history, giving more than £8 million to pro-Brexit groups.
Russian ambassador
The extent and source of Banks’s fortune has been under discussion, as have his political connections. Recent reports revealed that Banks had extensive, previously undisclosed meetings with the Russian ambassador in London in the run-up to the Brexit vote.
Then, on the night of the referendum former Ukip leader Nigel Farage twice conceded defeat live on British television. When the results came in sterling’s value collapsed, and a number of prominent pro-Brexit hedge fund managers made millions.
The notion that Remainers will ever Regard Brexit as anything other than Daylight Robbery is absurd.
It will never be acceptable in any shape or form, it simply a crime.
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In early 2016, Darren Grimes, a 21-year-old fashion student from Durham, set up a social media campaign to encourage young people to vote to leave the European Union. “BeLeave” raised the princely sum of £21.51 in three months.
Then, in the two weeks before the Brexit referendum, Grimes received a series of massive donations, including £625,000 from the Vote Leave campaign. This money, it was subsequently discovered, was paid directly to a Canadian data analytics firm called Aggregate IQ. It was never even resting in the young student’s account.
On Tuesday, the UK’s elections watchdog reported Grimes and a senior Vote Leave executive to the police. In a stinging report, the Electoral Commission found that Vote Leave had broken the law by failing to include Grimes’s spending in their return.
The official Leave campaign breached spending limits by almost half a million pounds. That’s a significant amount in British politics, especially in a knife-edge referendum like Brexit.
Nor is this the first time that the British elections regulator has found serious irregularities in how the campaign to leave the EU was won.
In May, another pro-Brexit campaign, Leave.EU, was fined £70,000, again for breaking electoral law. Leave.EU was bankrolled by Arron Banks, a controversial businessman who emerged from obscurity to become the biggest donor in British political history, giving more than £8 million to pro-Brexit groups.
Russian ambassador
The extent and source of Banks’s fortune has been under discussion, as have his political connections. Recent reports revealed that Banks had extensive, previously undisclosed meetings with the Russian ambassador in London in the run-up to the Brexit vote.
Then, on the night of the referendum former Ukip leader Nigel Farage twice conceded defeat live on British television. When the results came in sterling’s value collapsed, and a number of prominent pro-Brexit hedge fund managers made millions.
The notion that Remainers will ever Regard Brexit as anything other than Daylight Robbery is absurd.
It will never be acceptable in any shape or form, it simply a crime.
If Brexit was such a good idea surely the advantages of leaving should have become more obvious and us Remainers would have supported it.
But the opposite has happened it was a bad idea and has become a worse idea. Even Leavers are admitting that we will be poorer after leaving.
So why are we brexiting?
KudosDave
But the opposite has happened it was a bad idea and has become a worse idea. Even Leavers are admitting that we will be poorer after leaving.
So why are we brexiting?
KudosDave
to honour a commitment made by David Cameron.
However, the way we honour that commitment has to be left to parliament where the interest of the country needs to come first.
If parliament cannot find a way to exit the EU then we have to either have a GE or a confirmatory referendum. There isn't another solution.
Brexiters have to cling on to the conservatives because brexit is the conservative party's obsession, brexit cannot be realised without a conservative government. Yet, the reason why we are in a state of limbo is because the government is frightened by both soluttions, GE and confirmatory referendum while it has only half of its MPs supporting a brexit deal.
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I was about 12 or 13 years old when I read Guy de Maupassant's 'La parure' (it's known as 'The Necklace' ). The story was about a middle class woman who has always imagined herself as an aristocrat. One day, she and her husband were invited to a ball. She feared of being embarrassed seeing that other ball goers were from much more powerful families, she borrowed a diamond necklace from her rich school friend. After attending the party, she discovers that she has lost the necklace. She bought a replacement necklace with a huge loan which took her and her husband ten years to repay.
Ten years later, she suddenly sees her good old friend, who barely recognizes her in her somewhat shabby state. During the ensuing conversation, she recounts the story of losing and replacing the necklace, and that it was the reason why she and her husband have worked so hard to repay the necklace the past ten years. Her friend took her hands and explained that her original necklace was a fake or "made of paste", and was worth nothing much.
The one with lower-case "b" - I won't dignify it with upper-case.
You replace the cast:
- Mathilde (the woman who has always imagined she is aristocratic): Theresa May (brexiters)
- her husband: David Cameron
- her rich friend Madame Forestier: Jacob Rees Mogg
- the ball: G7 meeting
- the department where her husband worked: the EU Commission
- the necklace: brexit is brexit
let's say we leave on WTO and the predictions of mainstream economists are proven correct; 5%-10% loss of GDP in 10 years.
10 years from now:
the UK (currently behind France In the G7 but still in front of Italy and Canada), having left on WTO, fought its way hard among the giant blocs: USA, China, EU27, India, lost its place to Italy and Canada, finally rejoins the EU.
All for not much.
Not for us, no. But, as tom waits says, someone makes money when theres blood in the street.
Imagine 10 years from now, Prime Minister the honourable JRM takes us back to the EU. What would he say? I thought you knew what brexit was all about.
Yes,im sure like the iraq war or maggies deregulation of financial services or brown's raid on pension funds, brexit will become part of our sordid history,to be stumbled across no doubt by a next generation, also on another similar thread then. What to do (bearing in mind everywhere is in this way essentially the same, one could argue relocating to france might help, but i fancy macron even less than may)?
