Brexit, for once some facts.

[daveboy]

History will look back in anger at Corbyn for failing to stand up for the right for people who oppose Brexit on the basis that it is proven to be a dangerous and damaging mistake.
It is astonishing that he hasn't realised that when things go badly wrong after Brexit, he has effectively sunk the Labour party by choosing to share the blame for the Tory Brexit madness.
If anyone should face a vote of no confidence, he is a bigger candidate than TM

He was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
My local MP (Yvette Cooper) has a massive Labour majority but 70% voted for
Brexit. This is repeated throughout the north. If labour loose the northern vote
they will never get in power again.
Yvette Cooper is now hated round here for tabling the "rule out no deal option"

 

[Woosh]

Hey Woosh...Anything you want to add to this little gem?

later.

 

[Woosh]

"There is a danger that Britain gets bogged down in an article 50 extension and when the campaign engines rev up to take us into reverse, the wheels will spin without traction. "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/brexit-tensions-referendum

 

[daveboy]

Looks like we will still get our fruit and veg with no deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/continued-eu-access-for-uk-airlines-hauliers-and-bus-and-coach-operators-agreed?utm_source=2e29ba08-f5cc-4965-b218-5a78ae84353c&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate&fbclid=IwAR3xQhPPWXc_NLbp3eb44nJXDYzbKjH4DLt5U1O4IWVl8wLsIEqASlqXCvc

 

[jonathan.agnew]

He was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
My local MP (Yvette Cooper) has a massive Labour majority but 70% voted for
Brexit. This is repeated throughout the north. If labour loose the northern vote
they will never get in power again.
Yvette Cooper is now hated round here for tabling the "rule out no deal option"

He could have done a bit more of an yvette cooper instead of the olympic level of fence sitting. With some leadership (there are circa 17 million remainers who are mostly liberal) the labour little englanders who voted leave wouldnt need a hard brexit cold turkey to change their minds

 

[daveboy]

He could have done a bit more of an yvette cooper instead of the olympic level of fence sitting. With some leadership (there are circa 17 million remainers who are mostly liberal) the labour little englanders who voted leave wouldnt need a hard brexit cold turkey to change their minds

"Labour little Englanders" You can't help yourself can you.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

"Labour little Englanders" You can't help yourself can you.

"little Englander", a.k.a. "a person who opposes an international role or policy for England (or, in practice, for Britain")
(https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=9_2RXKbFBZClUonChIgC&q=little+englanders&btnK=Google+Search&oq=little+englanders&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30l3.834.3621..4380...0.0..1.310.2558.4j12j1j1....2..0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i131i67j0i67.f6Za4i4IK5k&safe=active)
Which part of that does not apply to a Brexit voter?

 

[daveboy]

"little Englander", a.k.a. "a person who opposes an international role or policy for England (or, in practice, for Britain")
(https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=9_2RXKbFBZClUonChIgC&q=little+englanders&btnK=Google+Search&oq=little+englanders&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30l3.834.3621..4380...0.0..1.310.2558.4j12j1j1....2..0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i131i67j0i67.f6Za4i4IK5k&safe=active)
Which part of that does not apply to a Brexit voter?

All of it...….Having an International role is not the same as being in the Eu.
Unless all of the other countries not in the EU do not have an international role.
and that would be ridiculous. Nice try though.

 

[Fingers]

All of it...….Having an International role is not the same as being in the Eu.
Unless all of the other countries not in the EU do not have an international role.
and that would be ridiculous. Nice try though.

He blind hatred of this country clouds his every post. I find it amusing tbh.

Facts are we are a huge influence in geo politics and will continue to be long after leaving the EU.

 

[Danidl]

And so it continues. According to reports a letter is being sent to the European Council under Mrs Mays direction seeking a 3 month extension... But no credible reason and no plan. Even Ireland would have a difficulty in supporting this.

 

[Danidl]

He blind hatred of this country clouds his every post. I find it amusing tbh.

Facts are we are a huge influence in geo politics and will continue to be long after leaving the EU.

..as the song goes " and reliving past scenes of old glory, soon there will be nobody marching at all ".

 

[oldgroaner]

All of it...….Having an International role is not the same as being in the Eu.
Unless all of the other countries not in the EU do not have an international role.
and that would be ridiculous. Nice try though.

Interesting the definition here is rather different
little Englander (Cambridge Dictionary)
noun [ C ]
UK disapproving
an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so:

Now that is a much better fit, isn't it?

 

[oldgroaner]

And so it continues. According to reports a letter is being sent to the European Council under Mrs Mays direction seeking a 3 month extension... But no credible reason and no plan. Even Ireland would have a difficulty in supporting this.

Obviously her plan is the end the present parliamentary session, have a holiday then start it all off again in the hope fear will get her deal passed next time. (or two)

 

[oldgroaner]

He blind hatred of this country clouds his every post. I find it amusing tbh.

Facts are we are a huge influence in geo politics and will continue to be long after leaving the EU.

The blind hatred is on the part of cowards who retreated in defeat from the EU, not those who chose to remain, was the competition more than you could handle?
what does this huge influence in geo politics amount to?
Nothing worthy of the name, does it? it won't feed the poor or stop the trouble that will come.
You have opted to enrich those aready rich at your own expense, and risked real trouble ahead for us all.
How crazy is that?
That's blind hatred ...yours

 

[Danidl]

Obviously her plan is the end the present parliamentary session, have a holiday then start it all off again in the hope fear will get her deal passed next time. (or two)

That is not a plan. It is a hope. More importantly it is not a plan which could be viewed by EU leaders as credible. Four to five EU leaders have referred to a credible plan.

 

[flecc]

I raise my glass to flecc, 50 k posts!

Thanks AK, I hadn't even noticed where it was, but in fact this is 41,331, so a few more yet to reach 50k.
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[tommie]

Well said Mr. Barnier!!......Superb, by jove i think you`ve got it!

The EU’s Michel Barnier has spelt out how a No Deal Brexit is still possible at a press conference today, declaring that the European Union is “prepared” for such an outcome.

Contrary to the rubbish put about by hardline Remainers in Westminster, Barnier reminded them: “Voting against No Deal does not prevent it from happening.”

That is because the Article 50 process means that the UK is due to leave on 29th March, unless an extension is agreed. That can be vetoed by one member on the European Council.

Barnier warned that: “Everyone should now finalise all preparations for a No Deal scenario.”

 

[Wicky]

And so it continues. According to reports a letter is being sent to the European Council under Mrs Mays direction seeking a 3 month extension... But no credible reason and no plan. Even Ireland would have a difficulty in supporting this.

Yes - Goodness knows what she'll say is 'the plan' to get out of the impasse.

 

[Fingers]

Well said Mr. Barnier!!......Superb, by jove i think you`ve got it!

The EU’s Michel Barnier has spelt out how a No Deal Brexit is still possible at a press conference today, declaring that the European Union is “prepared” for such an outcome.

Contrary to the rubbish put about by hardline Remainers in Westminster, Barnier reminded them: “Voting against No Deal does not prevent it from happening.”

That is because the Article 50 process means that the UK is due to leave on 29th March, unless an extension is agreed. That can be vetoed by one member on the European Council.

Barnier warned that: “Everyone should now finalise all preparations for a No Deal scenario.”

Barnier to the rescue!

Although I think not Tommie. This cuck knows how desperate the EU is for the money and deals to be tied up.

I just wish we had someone with the stones to call him out and say fair enough. You want it, you called it. We tried. And tried.

No deal.

Next!

 

[Fingers]

And so it continues. According to reports a letter is being sent to the European Council under Mrs Mays direction seeking a 3 month extension... But no credible reason and no plan. Even Ireland would have a difficulty in supporting this.

Lol!

Keep on believing that. We could keep the EU dangling in perpetuity. Forget the insults and bluster from the EU leaders. They have not got the authority to give us no deal.