Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

There is an exquisite irony – apparently lost on May and her advisers in their No 10 bunker – that she thinks it’s absolutely fine to keep bringing back her meaningful vote until she gets the outcome she desires, while publicly decrying remainers’ appeals for a second plebiscite.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/19/speaker-mps-vote-saturday

 

[Danidl]

Yeah. But they will though.

They have no choice

So you keep saying.. that don't make it true.

 

[oyster]

Apart from Greenland of course

Greenland is not (and was not) a country - but a self-governing territory of Denmark.

[I had to look it up to check.]

 

[Fingers]

So you keep saying.. that don't make it true.

I hope I’m wrong. I know I’m not though.

I’m at the stage where I want the decision out of Mays hands. A wto deal is better than Mays deal. We get to keep the 30bn or so and it’s a clean break.

Of course it won’t happen though. The EU still think we won’t leave and will roll on the departure for as long we want. They need the money and they don’t want us to make a success of leaving.

 

[Danidl]

There was a Labour MP on the BBCs lunch time Politics Show today saying that this might not be the case. There may be a way to have a longer than 3 month extension and for our existing MEPs to stay in place for a bit longer than they should. This has never been done before but then again no country has ever left the EU before so its difficult to know.

That same idea was being flogged around HoC last week. However ,just think about it for a few minutes.
The supposition is that a EU parliament ,missing a number of MEPs because of a failure of one country to hold elections is or is not valid is untested. The logical consequence is that one country is disenfranchised. Now the ECJ has not been asked to rule on this.
So why would the EU put in jeopardy the parliamentary rights of 500 million for the sake of 60 million?...It would be insane.
If the EU were by any chance ,to grant the UK any extension beyond June, ..which I am not expecting, I would fully expect that a guarantee of holding EU parliamentary elections in the UK would be a condition. The idea of allowing sitting MEPs ,to hold onto their seats in a temporary capacity or as hereditary seats cuts across all concepts of equal treatment.
Moreover, because these seats could become vacant at any time,there would need to be auxiliary elections in the other member states,with a number of candidates elected on a provisional basis...

 

[oyster]

The idea of allowing sitting MEPs ,to hold onto their seats in a temporary capacity or as hereditary seats cuts across all concepts of equal treatment.

It would also require those sitting MEPs to be willing to continue sitting. I have not the slightest idea what opinions they might have on the matter but would be somewhat surprised if every single one agreed in the situation described.

 

[Danidl]

It would also require those sitting MEPs to be willing to continue sitting. I have not the slightest idea what opinions they might have on the matter but would be somewhat surprised if every single one agreed in the situation described.

But it would be profoundly undemocratic to the 700 candidates elected throughput the rest of Europe.. That is a sufficient reason.

 

[oyster]

Possibly the most expensive cross-channel tickets since D-day.

Buy tickets, but, of course, not Seaborne...

No-deal ferry plans to protect NHS supplies to be triggered
Action to safeguard imports of medicines to begin this week despite likely Brexit delay
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/19/no-deal-ferry-plans-to-protect-nhs-supplies-to-be-triggered

 

[Wicky]

Better not blow up the novelty Brexit day celebratory helium balloons just yet then, they will be soggy and sad by then!
I wonder how far the Chinese ship carrying all the Trinkets, union jack flags, badges and Goo ga's has got and whether the Captain's had orders to stand by to turn back?

Brexit 50p coins supposedly out this Spring will be on the back burner, plus as well May's Post-Brexit Festival .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46016359

 

[oyster]

Brexit 50p coins supposedly out this Spring will be on the back burner, plus as well May's Post-Brexit Festival .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46016359

Remember the "England Winners" over-printed stamps. Can they do the same with coins?

 

[oyster]

But it would be profoundly undemocratic to the 700 candidates elected throughput the rest of Europe.. That is a sufficient reason.

I agree. Just adding a practical issue.

 

[tommie]

apparently, the DUP will climb down on Monday, ERG on Tuesday and TM ask MPs to vote on MV3 Wednesday.

Hey Woosh...Anything you want to add to this little gem?

 

[Danidl]

Hey Woosh...Anything you want to add to this little gem?

Well the Speaker scuppered that plan. No point in eating humble pie,when the restaurant has closed.

 

[Kudoscycles]

You have to admire Barnier and the EU...they have backed May into a corner and every exit doesn’t look good.
May,Davis and Co were amateurs in negotiating against the professionals and we want to go out and do deals with the likes of China,Japan and the US.
The least worst option for May would seem to be staying in the customs union,Barnier would probably give an extension for that. The best option would be staying in the EU,but has she the bottle to do that?
KudosDave

 

[Danidl]

You have to admire Barnier and the EU...they have backed May into a corner and every exit doesn’t look good.
May,Davis and Co were amateurs in negotiating against the professionals and we want to go out and do deals with the likes of China,Japan and the US.
The least worst option for May would seem to be staying in the customs union,Barnier would probably give an extension for that. The best option would be staying in the EU,but has she the bottle to do that?
KudosDave

Sorry Kudos, but that is to credit the EU with too much. They crafted a solution which took into account all the constraints that Mrs May insisted on. .. Including a UK wide backstop arrangement... The EU would have been OK with one restricted to NI. It was not their intention or plan to snooker her.
Anyway as he, Mr Barnier has basically said tonight," .. I'm finished, any further decisions take place above my pay grade" . ..Which is why Mr Trusk was meeting with the EU heads individually, before formulating a position for Thursday. . The European Council makes the next call, not Mr Barnier.

 

[oldgroaner]

I hope I’m wrong. I know I’m not though.

I’m at the stage where I want the decision out of Mays hands. A wto deal is better than Mays deal. We get to keep the 30bn or so and it’s a clean break.

Of course it won’t happen though. The EU still think we won’t leave and will roll on the departure for as long we want. They need the money and they don’t want us to make a success of leaving.

BS as usual, you must be the only person left who believes there is any danger of us making a success of leaving.
The rest of the leave voters believe it is worth suffering deprivation and disaster in pursuit of their Brexit "sovereignty" fetish.
They have given up on starry skies and Unicorns,
The Big plan is clear
Bring in a low regulation economy and protect the offshore accounts, this will achieve the following
Bomb Manufacturing and create shortages and unemployment
Destroy the NHS by Privatisation
Dismantle the Welfare state
A perfect Fascists state

Make the rich richer and the poor servile
Until of course there is unrest.

You want this? WHY?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Of course they (we ) do..
For countries like Poland, which would not be invested in the UK market, they can make a principled point without it costing them anything. They can say very simply .. your mess ,you fix it. Greece can say we want the Elgin Marbles back ...
The type of comment that Fingers has just made and which I heard by British commentators this morning on RTE radio ,basically expecting with a sense of entitlement of the EU "of course giving an extension " will play very badly in mainland Europe.
Ireland has already passed all the necessary legislation to handle the Crash out Brexit and is waiting Presidential signature.
We don't want it this Crash out , but nor do we want this cat and mouse game to play out for months or years.

Backbenchers like kawzynski has been peitioning member states to block the request for extension (see express). Sadly no individual state would want to take responsibility for the fallout and contagion of the uk crashing out (think greece's economic collapse exponentially multiplied). While i dont like gratuitous vandalism, id love to see a hard brexit and those who voted for it experiencing the consequences. But it wont happen, expedience and common sense will probably hold sway,OTOH no one saw trump coming.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here we go again
From the Daily Mail front page
"
GUY ADAMS: The racist and gay hate past of Speaker John Bercow - who's now the hero of the right-on MPs who are battling to block Brexit

The message is simply this
If you appear to be hindering Brexit the Right wing press will try to do a Character Assasination on you.
And this is from the Paper that previously printed this

"The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market newspaper published in London in a tabloid .... In it, Rothermere predicted that "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bringing to Germany"

Still no change is there, they print propaganda of the most extreme kind

 

[oldgroaner]

Hey Woosh...Anything you want to add to this little gem?

The DUP protection racket is in ruins?

 

[anotherkiwi]

I raise my glass to flecc, 50 k posts!